JJ Deep into 5+R

frankx99x · #1 02-27-2007, 11:50 AM

I have a decent chip stack deep into a 5+R. What is the best play with JJ after a raise? Call and re-evaluate after flop, re-raise, or shove?

PokerStars Tournament, Big Blind is t16000 with t800 antes (8 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com

UTG (t289147)
UTG+1 (t217993)
MP1 (t251640)
MP2 (t217310)
CO (t622341)
Hero (t392923)
SB (t347248)
BB (t210354)

Preflop: Hero is in Button with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, MP1 raises to t41500, MP2 folds, CO folds, Hero ?

r1base14 · #2 02-27-2007, 01:50 PM

it has to be push or fold, no? i don't know if this is such a good time for a stop n go b/c the raise is coming from someone in early mid position who likely has something decent that you would rather not let see a flop. i would have a hard time laying down JJ here unless MP1 was a total nit, and even then I may call.

Mr.Poker · #3 02-27-2007, 02:03 PM

I stick it in here. After you call, the pot is over 100,000 and you have 350,000 behind so you can increase you stack by a significant proportion by just getting him to fold. If you are called you are only in trouble against a higher pair but MP1 opening/calling range is going to be much wider than this, so all in all, a pretty good spot.

Im allin.

frankx99x · #4 02-27-2007, 02:15 PM

I can't see folding as an option, so how about a re-raise instead of shoving?

L0QTiS · #5 02-27-2007, 10:38 PM

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I can't see folding as an option, so how about a re-raise instead of shoving?

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because you just about pot commit yourself to seeing the hand to the end anyway by re-raising, so the end result remains the same. Shove

DiscipleAA · #6 02-27-2007, 10:59 PM

This is a preety easy push considering villians stack size, although because I think this is a disagreement I'd like to mention that if you were closer to even in chip stacks I just smooth call...

This case is Insta-Push...

TwistedEcho · #7 02-27-2007, 11:03 PM

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I can't see folding as an option, so how about a re-raise instead of shoving?

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reraise to what? You can't reraise and fold, so if you reraise to X amount instead of push it would be to maybe rep a bigger hand, but honestly i just shove - 88/99/TT can def call thinking you have AK, and if he has QQ+ so be it.

watevs · #8 02-27-2007, 11:19 PM

ai

frankx99x · #9 02-28-2007, 12:52 PM

I was hoping a re-raise might induce him to fold an AQ or AK. I did not want to race. After my re-raise of 3X his raise he shoves in the rest of his chips and I call. He shows AQ and wins with a Q on the river leaving me short stacked. For this specific hand my best bet might have been to call and re-evaluate. A c-bet by him on the flop might have let me get away from the hand with more chips in my stack and a check and then c-bet on my part might have won the hand.

PokerStars Tournament, Big Blind is t16000 with t800 antes (8 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com

UTG (t289147)
UTG+1 (t217993)
MP1 (t251640)
MP2 (t217310)
CO (t622341)
Hero (t392923)
SB (t347248)
BB (t210354)

Preflop: Hero is in Button with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, MP1 raises to t41500, MP2 folds, CO folds, Hero raises to t128000, SB folds, BB folds, MP1 raises to t250840 (All-in), Hero calls t122840

Flop: (t573580) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)

Turn: (t573580) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)

River: (t573580) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)

Results in gray below:
MP1 has Qd, Ad (a pair of Queens)
Hero has Jh, Js (a pair of Jacks)

shaundeeb · #10 02-28-2007, 01:14 PM

calling and re-eval sucks cuz theres an overcard 95% of the time and you don't have a set. Stop being scared.