$20 180players sit&go , how to play AK against aggressive player

[rapsu]

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t800 (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Button (t8806)
Hero (t31790)
BB (t32751)
UTG (t12976)
MP (t11955)
CO (t46605)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t2200</font>, BB calls t1400.

Flop: (t3850) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets t6400</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: t10250


This guy has been very aggressive and pushing me on the flop couple times, probe betting. Now I decide that I would check /call his bet thinking he might bluff , a bit weak, but he bet so much that I didnt know what to do because pot would have become so big afterwards. Few hand later I pick up AQ and raise pf same way and check the flop (8h8d9h) to him and hoping to check raise him but this time he moves all in 33k into 5,8k pot. which was about 40bb. What do you think of the plays? is it weak to play like this in these situatitons against aggressive player and what cards he might be holding?

[shaundeeb]

perfectly fine.

[billyb]

I dont get why you raised and then Checked the flop and folded to a bet? If you know he is aggressive he is just taking control after you checked the flop after raising preflop.

[rapsu]

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t1600 (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

UTG (t12444)
UTG+1 (t43436)
MP1 (t45584)
Hero (t31840)
CO (t57894)
Button (t41461)
SB (t14715)
BB (t22626)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t4300</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Button calls t4300, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>.

Flop: (t9125) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t5000</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to t37086</font>, Hero calls t22465 (All-In).

Turn: (t73676) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

River: (t73676) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: t73676

hand against same guy. He almost always called my pf bet and had everytime(6times or more) gone over top of me pushing all of his chips in on the flop. I couldnt take it anymore and called him with Ace high. Is this just tilt call or is there sense in this? I thought there was really big chance he is bluffing and even though he would be holding pair of jacks or lower I would be only 3:1 underdog and I got 2:1 odds to my money. If I folded I would gone down to 16bb, not the place where I want to be but if I would have won I would had the chip lead. So what do you think of the call? Bet on the flop might had been a mistake but I didnt know wheter to check or bet because this guy had moved over top of me no matter what I do. Best play would have been to check-fold the flop? Billyb and I think the right play against aggressive player isnt to bet at them when you have just ace high?

[sobefuddled]

The bet on the flop was fine I think. You needed to find out where you stood. In the future, when you are the first one into the pot against this type of player go all-in. The end result is the same but your stacks were close enough in size that I doubt very much that he would be willing to sacrifice his stack to that extent. I'm not sure why everyone here talks about BB multiples. That number really means nothing to me. M is much easier to work with and alot more accurate once the antes kick in. If you work with M you will see that yours is about 11 and his is about 14. He's really not that much better off than you and needs to make aggressive moves here too.

[rapsu]

shaundeeb, reply this other hand also, please.

[rapsu]

sobefuddled, so the best would had been to push AI on flop against this type of opponent? That seems pretty crazy, betting about 3 times the pot and opponent is going to call only if he had something. I have no idea what the best play would had been in this situation, check-fold, bet-fold, bet-call, all in push? I´d like if more people would comment on this second hand.

[shaundeeb]

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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t1600 (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

UTG (t12444)
UTG+1 (t43436)
MP1 (t45584)
Hero (t31840)
CO (t57894)
Button (t41461)
SB (t14715)
BB (t22626)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t4300</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Button calls t4300, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>.

Flop: (t9125) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t5000</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to t37086</font>, Hero calls t22465 (All-In).

Turn: (t73676) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

River: (t73676) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: t73676

hand against same guy. He almost always called my pf bet and had everytime(6times or more) gone over top of me pushing all of his chips in on the flop. I couldnt take it anymore and called him with Ace high. Is this just tilt call or is there sense in this? I thought there was really big chance he is bluffing and even though he would be holding pair of jacks or lower I would be only 3:1 underdog and I got 2:1 odds to my money. If I folded I would gone down to 16bb, not the place where I want to be but if I would have won I would had the chip lead. So what do you think of the call? Bet on the flop might had been a mistake but I didnt know wheter to check or bet because this guy had moved over top of me no matter what I do. Best play would have been to check-fold the flop? Billyb and I think the right play against aggressive player isnt to bet at them when you have just ace high?

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your call sucks I wouldn't mind it so much on a paired board or one with a fd or something. He doesn't have staight air enough here to call because even with air he's got outs. against really aggo people you want to be putting the last bet in and not calling without midpair+ or a legit draw. and learn your lesson if he's shoving over all your c-bets don't cbet if you are not going to call.

[sobefuddled]

Given your opponent's playing style and your table image yes. You have pretty much brought it on yourself. He sees you as very weak tight and he wants your chip. The object of the game is to win all the chips one hand at a time. The game is not nearly so much about the cards as it is about the chips! If you pull all-in he will figure you for a real hand and he'll pull back at least this time unless he has a very strong hand. AQ is not a great hand for all in if he does call you but it's not bad. Against any random hand you are 65-35 to win. Against low pairs you drop to 47% to win and pairs above 10 43% to win. Remember. You've been giving chips away without a fight in a game that's all about winning all the chips. You need to fix that reputation.

[Soulman]

sobefuddled,
your advice sucks.

Pushing on that flop lets your opponent play perfectly: he will fold all worse hands and call with better ones. Check-raise all-in or fold is way superior here.

Edit: talking about 2nd hand if not clear.