playing after a 3bet

[NedForrest]

So i ve been doing some analysis and it seems like JJ,TT dont do very well against an early raise and a 3bet. How much equity am I losing here by just folding? So far I ve been folding TT and capping JJ.
+EV 3 betting hands: AK AQ,88,99,TT
-EV 3 betting hands: AA KK QQ JJ
I dont win much against AK AQ when they miss and 88-TT dont like most flops so I dont win much there either. I m forced to call down and lose a lot against AA KK QQ. TT seems like an easy fold against most 3bettors. JJ is still very marginal for me. So what are your standards with good hands vs 3bets? I fold TT, AQ and cap AA KK QQ AK JJ. What if you open raise and get 3bet behind? I still cap AA KK QQ AK JJ. I might call JJ,TT if the raiser is tight.

[Rastadon]

I cap AA-QQ and AKs.

AKo and JJ could go either way depending on how tight the raisers are.

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Board:
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 26.931% 20.08% 06.85% 63987489 21836016.17 { AKo }
Hand 1: 36.568% 32.55% 04.02% 103732256 12802754.33 { 88+, ATs+, KQs, AKo }
Hand 2: 36.502% 32.18% 04.32% 102548391 13777317.00 { 88+, ATs+, KQs, AKo }

[threads13]

I generally let go of JJ to a 3-bet without reads.

[Harv72b]

To an extent, I think that this is specific to the stakes you're playing. On lower limits, you can generally assume that the 3bet is a legit premium hand unless you have a read that says otherwise. But as you move up higher and people are more aggressive with their isolation raises, that 3bettor's range increases dramatically...and thus, so does the relative value of JJ-TT. So much of what I'm saying here applies more to 3/6 & above (especially above) than it does to 1/2 & 2/4.

Unless I have a read on one or both of the raisers as being quite passive preflop, I'm generally going to cap with both--if I do believe that one/both of the raisers is passive, and especially the 3bettor, then I fold. I may, rarely, just call the 3bet if I am in the BB.

Keep in mind, you don't have to call down every time you're holding an overpair. Against many opponents, you can lay down TT/JJ if they keep betting into you on a rags board--my standard line in these situations is to raise the flop continuation bet, call a 3bet, and unless I believe the opponent is capable of overplaying nothing, fold to the turn bet. I'll mix it up, obviously, but you get the idea--know your opponent, and know when to let this hand go postflop even if you believed preflop that you were ahead of a decent percentage of his range.

Also, as far as "not winning much" vs. AK-AQ when they miss, even if they just check/fold the flop (which they'll never do), you're winning a minimum of 3 BBs in the pot, and usually more like 5-6 BBs. That's a significant pot.

If I openraise JJ/TT and get 3bet behind, it depends largely on the opponent but I'll generally just call the 3bet and play from there. Unless my PFR was from late position and looks like a blind steal, in which case I'll usually cap preflop.

[NedForrest]

I play mostly 5/10 now where most TAGs have a "3bet or fold" mentality so their 3betting range is premiums + AQ 88-TT or even AJs KQs 77 depending on the original raiser. I think I m gonna try your approach and find out on the flop. Most people dont overplay AK AQ very much. Besides preflop play is overrated and you make most of your profit post flop anyway. So I like that approach. TT is still a fold for against most solid players and JJ tends to be a cap. I cap because I want AA KK QQ to lead on the flop and give their hand away.