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Old 02-26-2007, 05:37 PM
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Default JJ as overpair on flop

$50r. No particular reads as shortly after the break but I reckon villain is a fish.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t150 (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

MP2 (t11260)
MP3 (t9150)
CO (t4700)
Button (t3035)
SB (t6190)
BB (t5915)
UTG (t5310)
UTG+1 (t5300)
Hero (t8180)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t400</font>, MP2 calls t400, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to t1050</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, Hero calls t650, MP2 folds.

Flop: (t2725) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets t1450</font>, Hero really wants to dump this now. Is that right or wrong?
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Old 02-26-2007, 05:45 PM
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Default Re: JJ as overpair on flop

sure looks like he's representing AA-QQ, but could just be a cbet to pick up the pot too. He could have made that move with AK as well. Tough spot here, I would have a hard time folding to this board.
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Old 02-26-2007, 05:49 PM
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Default Re: JJ as overpair on flop

stacks aren't deep enough to call for set value pre-flop, so you must have been planning to play this kinda flop too...

push (or fold pre-flop)
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Old 02-26-2007, 05:50 PM
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Default Re: JJ as overpair on flop

thats a tough spot. your right if you push him, and he folds or calls with AK(which would make him a fish if he did) and your wrong if you push and he flips AA,KK,QQ. In my opion a bet of 1000-1200 on the flop would be a good way to see where your at in the hand. But if hes a fish there is no guarantee that he wont push AK after you bet the flop.
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Old 02-26-2007, 05:50 PM
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Default Re: JJ as overpair on flop

This is a tough one. I dont think u can just call either because it gives u no information. I think u have 2 raise or fold here and its possibly a marginal fold as he has represented by his betting a bigger pair. Tough 1 to get away from though. U can fold i think and u still have a workable stack.
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Old 02-26-2007, 05:58 PM
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Default Re: JJ as overpair on flop

I think this hand looks tougher than it actually is.

Put the pieces together here.

Hes made a tiny ass "come on in" raise pre flop against 2 players. AK doesn't play this.

Then on the flop just in case he made some spaz play with 99/TT he hit. So when he launches out that standard continuation bet, you've got a fold.
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Old 02-26-2007, 06:00 PM
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Default Re: JJ as overpair on flop


pf is probably a ok call, we hope mp2 tags along so we got a stack to play with but even now we got 9.? to 1 on the call with COs stack.

on flop we really donīt beat anything. i guess ak/aq could be a small part of his range if we think he is a fishy galore but i donīt belive its a profitable push
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Old 02-26-2007, 06:00 PM
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Default Re: JJ as overpair on flop

[ QUOTE ]
I think this hand looks tougher than it actually is.

Put the pieces together here.

Hes made a tiny ass "come on in" raise pre flop against 2 players. AK doesn't play this.

Then on the flop just in case he made some spaz play with 99/TT he hit. So when he launches out that standard continuation bet, you've got a fold.

[/ QUOTE ]

How's my pre-flop call?
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Old 02-26-2007, 06:11 PM
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Default Re: JJ as overpair on flop

I have 2 agree with Mr.Bond here. I think he is representing a bigger pair here, so just let it go and find a better spot.
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Old 02-26-2007, 06:12 PM
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Default Re: JJ as overpair on flop

Pre flops fine.
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