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02-25-2007, 07:14 PM
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If you really believe the government's role is to protect people from themselves then you are in my opinion one of the most dangerous elements in america. You and your kind will lead us down the path to total tyranny. natedogg [/ QUOTE ] Where did I say that I wanted a ban on smoking? I didn't and I don't. That's the opposite of what I'm saying. My point is that if the government wanted to "protect children" with legislation THAT is where they would start. That's my point. It isn't hard to understand. You're putting words in my mouth because you want to be able to call somebody stupid and be right, and therefore feel smarter than you are. I'm trying to illustrate how much more harmful cigarettes are to society than "vices" that are made illegal. In the case of cigarettes I think it's so obvious that it virtually proves that the government does NOT have the "protection of children" on it's agenda at all when it legislates "morality". That's why I brought the issue of smoking up in the first place. Show me the quote where I say that the government should pass any type of anti-smoking legislation at all. My post is about hypocracy and inconsistancy. That's the issue. You want to believe I'm saying the opposite because you just want to flame somebody even if they agree with you. 
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#12
02-25-2007, 07:21 PM
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If you want people to get the right understanding of your posts, maybe you should try to write them better.
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#13
02-25-2007, 07:41 PM
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My rant is that I would like the feds and states enforce passing on the left and slow people in the right hand lanes. Since they are too stupid to do that and only worry about revenue instead of safety (Arizona may be the first state to have traffic cameras on the freeways, I am left on my own fending off the morons that drive on our streets.
I also picked up a license plate cover that will not get picked by the cameras also, but I have a feeling that they will try to make it illegal if such an ordinance is passed. As for your rant Rubin, you make the choice to smoke and now it is your choice to quit. You can't go around blaming other people for your problems if you couldn't do it yourself. The government has a hard time protecting itself from itself--it sees little value in protecting the lives of citizens especially when they are going to be taxed to death anyway. Think to yourself--when was the last time a tax was passed and then repealed? The answer: Never. There is still a tax on your telephone bill (which was supposed to be repealed btw) from the days of the Spanish American War. If you pay, the government will keep you paying. (and yes, I am a smoker and AM quitting on March 1st--no questions asked--mind over matter)
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#14
02-25-2007, 07:42 PM
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THANKS U.S. GOVERNMENT for protecting me and my family from ourselves. [/ QUOTE ] Smoking is well on it's way to bieng prohibited. I'm sure you'll feel plenty safe then when the price skyrockets and thugs are shooting each other over tobacco like they do with other drugs.
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02-25-2007, 08:10 PM
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Where did I say that I wanted a ban on smoking? I didn't and I don't. That's the opposite of what I'm saying. My point is that if the government wanted to "protect children" with legislation THAT is where they would start. That's my point. It isn't hard to understand. You're putting words in my mouth because you want to be able to call somebody stupid and be right, and therefore feel smarter than you are. I'm trying to illustrate how much more harmful cigarettes are to society than "vices" that are made illegal. In the case of cigarettes I think it's so obvious that it virtually proves that the government does NOT have the "protection of children" on it's agenda at all. I think I agree with you, to a point. Problem is cigarettes are really a bad example. Actually, cigarettes and alcohol are areas in which I think the government has done the right thing and moved in way that is more responsible. Smoking as dropped in the US over the last few decades by putting forth information on the dangers of smoking and restrictions on minors buying cigarettes. Drinking has followed the same course in making driving while drinking a more serious crime, rising the drinking age to 21 in all states and education on the danger. They could certainly do more, but the overall strategy has proven effective. I wish in other areas they would take the same approach, rather then push things such as drug, gambling, and prostitution underground where criminals control it. In most all cases, I think it is better to legalize or at the very least decimalize it so that we can better control it. I think it is a much better use of resources to educate and warn of its dangers. In most cases, making something illegal only magnifies the problem while doing little to curtail the activity. Prostitution is a good example. In any phone book in any major city or not major for that matter, you can find pages of “escort,” not to mention streetwalkers. Therefore, prostitution is still widely available despite the laws. A better way might be the way some Nevada counties and some European counties have handed it. Making prostitutes register, confining them to certain areas, requiring they be tested for social diseases, and make sure they practice safe sex. It has also opened the door to pimps and street gangs to victimize the women. Prostitutes are often the prey of violent men who know they make easy victims. So the laws have done little to curtail it but much to make it even more dangerous.
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02-25-2007, 08:33 PM
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If you really believe the government's role is to protect people from themselves then you are in my opinion one of the most dangerous elements in america. You and your kind will lead us down the path to total tyranny. natedogg [/ QUOTE ] In spades.
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02-25-2007, 08:46 PM
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If you really believe the government's role is to protect people from themselves then you are in my opinion one of the most dangerous elements in america. You and your kind will lead us down the path to total tyranny. natedogg [/ QUOTE ] Very well put.
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