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Old 02-24-2007, 01:51 AM
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Default Facing turn donk w/middle pair

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BB at the time is sort of unknown, the table overall is playing loose and somewhat passive.

I open in CO w/K8s, BB defends.

Flop 873r. Check, I bet, he calls.

Turn 9. BB donks, I ??

Just call down or raise-fold? (or even fold now?)
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Old 02-24-2007, 02:10 AM
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Default Re: Facing turn donk w/middle pair

Well default is to calldown. I like raise/folding a good river though like a 4/2.
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Old 02-24-2007, 02:17 AM
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Default Re: Facing turn donk w/middle pair

I would just calldown.
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Old 02-24-2007, 02:37 AM
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Default Re: Facing turn donk w/middle pair

Ok, I just called down. It just didn't feel right at the time because I thought I was most likely against an OESD or a better made hand, which made me consider the turn raise-fold. I suppose he could have done this with a smaller pair but it seemed less likely. Villain showed his wonderfully played set w/88.
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Old 02-24-2007, 02:50 AM
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Default Re: Facing turn donk w/middle pair

LOW LIMIT INTERNET POKER RULE #42

CALLING >>>>>>>>> RAISE-FOLDING IN 99.56% OF SITUATIONS
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Old 02-24-2007, 03:02 PM
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Default Re: Facing turn donk w/middle pair

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I would just calldown.

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Old 02-24-2007, 03:04 PM
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LOW LIMIT INTERNET POKER RULE #42

CALLING >>>>>>>>> RAISE-FOLDING IN 99.56% OF SITUATIONS

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Online Poker rule 101:

If you raise PF, and you flop top pair HU, don't ever fold, ever. Don't take lines that lead to folding.
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Old 02-24-2007, 05:35 PM
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Default Re: Facing turn donk w/middle pair

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Well default is to calldown. I like raise/folding a good river though like a 4/2.

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I'd hesitate to raise the river, not due to fear of being 3-bet bluffed, but because we're at an equity deficit against stuff he would actually bet twice and call the raise with (say anything with a nine, decently kicked eights and sevens, T7+, 86+, 76, some stubborn pocket pairs, and some bigger hands that won't 3-bet.)
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Old 02-24-2007, 08:41 PM
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Default Re: Facing turn donk w/middle pair

I don't like the logic of raising the turn b/c he might be on a str8 draw vs most opponents. This is b/c most people will bet twice on the turn AND river if they miss. If you raise the turn, you still get 2 bets but he won't call the river. At the same time, if he happens to have a hand better than you he will never get more than 2 bets out of you.
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