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02-24-2007, 10:58 AM
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I\'m good here about 0%
villains are not tilty or maniacal.
sb is taggish and the other guy is more on the loose passive side. Poker Stars Limit Holdem Ring game Limit: $3/$6 6 players Converter Pre-flop: (6 players) Guruman is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2 folds, CO (poster) checks, <font color="#cc0000">Guruman raises</font>, <font color="#cc0000">SB 3-bets</font>, BB calls, CO folds, <font color="#cc0000">Guruman caps</font>, SB calls, BB calls. Flop: 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (13SB, 3 players) SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#cc0000">Guruman bets</font>, SB calls, BB calls. Turn: K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (8BB, 3 players) SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#cc0000">Guruman bets</font>, SB calls, <font color="#cc0000">BB raises</font>, Guruman calls, SB calls. River: 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (14BB, 3 players) SB checks, <font color="#cc0000">BB bets</font>, Guruman... 
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#8
02-24-2007, 12:03 PM
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Re: I\'m good here about 0%
that turn spot is remarkably similar to this one.
Stellarwind's advice seems to apply: [ QUOTE ] Check with outs, or bet for value? This rule is widely misunderstood and this hand is a case in point. The rule is intended to apply to weak hands that clearly cannot be taken to showdown if raised. This is not such a hand. If you get checkraised heads up you probably want to showdown your hand even if you know in advance that the river is 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] . Certainly it is at least a close decision and you would not be losing much by calling down. What is the effect of having outs? 1. It adds value to your bet by 1) giving you a chance to win if he calls with a better hand and 2) neutralizing hostile outs such as aces when you have the best hand. 2. It cushions the impact of a checkraise by a better hand. You have to call anyway (or it's close) and your outs significantly reduce the negative EV of the turn bets. A correct application of the check-with-outs rule occurs when you have a little something to show on the turn but you don't want to invest more than one bet unless you improve. The question is what to do with that bet and the answer often is: A. Without outs, betfold turn and checkfold river. Get maximum value and protection for your one bet. B. With outs, check turn and call (possibly bet) river. Ensure that you see the river card and hope to make a bet on the river when you are best. Of course an "out" in this context is something that can beat a checkraise. Soft outs that add value against the hands that will call you but are useless against his checkraise range are a reason to bet. An important practical advantage of the rule is it naturally mixes your play for you. Sometimes you bet the turn with a weakish hand and other times you take the free card and call the river. Makes you a more difficult target for a checkraise. [/ QUOTE ] given that, checking the turn seems like a pretty good option, except for the fact that I'm multiway here. That looks like the complicating factor to me.
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#9
02-24-2007, 12:16 PM
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Re: I\'m good here about 0%
Very easy river fold. I think your posting this cuz you actually folded the winner. Dont worry about it. Youre not gonna have the best hand 1/16 here IMO.
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#10
02-24-2007, 12:17 PM
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Re: I\'m good here about 0%
[ QUOTE ]
given that, checking the turn seems like a pretty good option, except for the fact that I'm multiway here. That looks like the complicating factor to me. [/ QUOTE ] The multiway factor swings this to a bet IMO.
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