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#11
02-24-2007, 08:23 AM
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Re: trips, top kicker -- easy fold right?
Isn't this quite a bad PF Call?
PF I fold, the fact that there's more limpers just means the pots bloated at the flop and it's even more expensive for you to draw OOP. 
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#12
02-24-2007, 08:26 AM
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Re: trips, top kicker -- easy fold right?
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If you fold this 4 handed then you are officially the tables bitch. [/ QUOTE ] omg can't let him bluff me!!!11 i wish this forum had a roll eyes icon.
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#14
02-24-2007, 09:18 AM
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Re: trips, top kicker -- easy fold right?
This makes no sense. CO is the pf raiser and he checks a flop that is perfect to cbet and then raises the turn? This is QQ or 77, no way he has a 4 here. I think it is QQ about 99% of the time the way it played out but I'm also pretty sure I wouldn't be able to fold. When pf raisers check flops and then go crazy later it is always top set in my experience. If they are weak enough to check the flop with air or mid pp type hands then they give up the instant someone bets, they don't go crazy bluffing. Would he check AQ on this flop with 3 others in? Not bloody likely.
Tony
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#17
02-24-2007, 09:41 AM
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Re: trips, top kicker -- easy fold right?
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why can't he have QQ or a wacky 4 (like K4s)? [/ QUOTE ] He was the pfr (unless the converter is wrong). If you raised an X4 hand pf, got a dry flop with a piece and then it was checked to you, what do you do? Why wouldn't you cbet here? You might take it down and if you don't you caught a piece so you have some outs to improve. I can't imagine any hand you are beating not cbetting this flop. If one of the pf callers made this bet, then yeah they could easily have a weaker 4 but I can't put the raiser on it. Tony
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#18
02-24-2007, 09:46 AM
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Re: trips, top kicker -- easy fold right?
He can have QQ or K4 here. His absolute minimum hand range for raising this turn for value is 4x, the upper range is 77/QQ, so he is either putting one of you on a hand like AQ/
KQ/QJ and is raising with 4x or is putting one of you on 4x and holds 77 or QQ.
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#19
02-24-2007, 09:48 AM
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Re: trips, top kicker -- easy fold right?
I dont think a 17/15 raises K4s from the CO. 45s maybe, but there arent a lot of 4s in his range, so I lean towards a fold, but I do stupid things very often in game.
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#20
02-24-2007, 09:53 AM
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Re: trips, top kicker -- easy fold right?
the villain is 30/20. i'm the one who is 17/15.
incidentally, raising K4s from the CO is part of my arsenal. but that's neither here nor there. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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