Unimproved AK 4-way

[SWINGMYTOOL]

I've been losing 20ptbb/100 playing no limit holdem. This is not good, I think. Help please?


$.50/$1 6-max. I am playing TAG. Opponents seem pretty loose and bad.

Loose passive UTG ($289) limps, I ($198) make it $6 with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Button ($103) calls, SB ($51) calls, limper calls.

Flop ($25) is 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. I bet $18. Is this too many people to CB into? I figured the flop was decent for it.

Anyway, SB check-raises all-in, I...?

Edit: Flop action is: I bet, Button folds, SB pushes, UTG folds.

[let_me_pay]

fold?

[SWINGMYTOOL]

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fold?

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Ok, thx. How about the continuation bet? Good/bad?

[pokerchap]

20ptbb/100... move down?

I think this is too many ppl to CBET into. c/f?

You want to call his c/r AI?????????

[SWINGMYTOOL]

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You want to call his c/r AI?????????

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Not only did I want to, I did. I figured it was getting better than 3:1, what the hell why not. Hmmm.

[let_me_pay]

Dont bother to CB into 3 ppl, you wont get the pot often enough to make it profitable when there are 3+ players still in the pot.

[ibuckyourfutt]

errr so u cbet, button folds, shorty sb crai, and utg folds?

calling here isnt too bad, im bad at math but arent u getting better than 3-1 or something

[let_me_pay]

oh im sorry, i dident realize SB was so short. Still i would fold the flop couse in best case scenario you have 6 outs (+ backdoor FD) and i think theres a big chance your only outs are the 3 kings left in the deck. Would SB really make this move with air? I find i very hard to believe since he must know hes getting called by almost anything, and therefore AK unimproved aint good enough

[Dan Bitel]

DO NOT CBET THIS FLOP

[OtZman]

I would never c-bet this flop. If the opponents are loose and bad, just keep on betting preflop with good hands and almost only bet when you hit the flop and let them pay. Even if they players weren't callingstations, I'd almost never try c-betting into three opponents like this, rarely works.

If I've calculated correctly you are getting 2-to-1 pot odds (calling $45 to win ~$90), while you are a 7-to-3 dog to win this hand if villain has top pair and a non A or K kicker. Some of the time villain will probably have a better hand, which isn't taken into the calculation. Here our pot odds of 6-to-3 are worse than our winning odds of 7-to-3, therefore I fold. I don't think villain will bluff here often at all.

Someone please correct my calculations if they're wrong. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]