$100NL AK spewage vs LAG

FearNoArt · #1 02-21-2007, 10:26 PM

First off Villain is 55/14/3.6 138 Hands. I have a problem CBetting against these kinds of villains, I think I tend to make the bets smaller thinking they are gonna call/raise anyways if they have any piece of flop, not wanting to build the pot too much if I'm behind, and knowing I can't bluff them out of it..Do you still come strong at this flop if opponent is like this ? I called his raise getting nearly 5-1 odds and thinking more of the implied odds if I hit my 2 outer and can stack him if he flopped 2pair or set. How do you play these spots ?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

BB ($132.30)
UTG ($112.40)
UTG+1 ($91.80)
Hero ($209.85)
MP2 ($128.65)
CO ($207.75)
Button ($101)
SB ($105.20)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
2 folds, Hero raises to $4, 1 fold, CO calls $4, 1 fold, SB calls $3.50, 1 fold.

Flop: ($13) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $7, CO raises to $14, SB folds, Hero calls $7.

Turn: ($41) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $16, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $57

b2l_cricket · #2 02-21-2007, 11:41 PM

There are 4 queens

bottomset · #3 02-22-2007, 12:03 AM

I think flop check>>>1/2pot flop bet

Oxy · #4 02-22-2007, 12:31 AM

I either bet this for 11 or not at all. 50/50, depends on the players. With him being at 55/14 I probably don't bet this at all. Call is fine I guess.

FearNoArt · #5 02-22-2007, 12:57 AM

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There are 4 queens

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Yes obv typo. Thanks for the input.

AlienBoy · #6 02-22-2007, 12:24 PM

PF: Okay

Flop: Either be aggressive and bet the pot, or go passive and just check. $7 is just wrong here, esp. against a 55/14.

Turn: Hard to say since the flop is messed up, but I tend to think you have more than 4 outs (queen) there's a good chance either your K or A (or both) give you another 3 or 6 clean outs.

Let's say you have 10 outs (not hard to imagine against a LAG like this), the pot is giving you 3.6 to 1. With 10 outs you're 3.6 to 1 to make it, and if he has say AJ or AT (or KJ) then you have 7 outs and you're a 5.5 to 1 dog.

The problem is that if a A or K falls, you can't be certain that it's a clean out for you, meaning that only the Q a strong out.

But if a Q falls, can you check raise all in? How much more can you get from him if your 10 to 1 hits?

You need to get another 103 out of him if you make your queen, but your other outs may also bring home the bacon.

As such, the implied odds could make this a call against this specific type of player, provided on the river:

Check/fold UI

Either check/call something reasonable if an A or K falls, or *possibly* block bet/fold. I don;'t like block bets against lags though.

If the queen falls, then it's time to extract.

Either bet out about 110, or push - if you think he calls here.

Or, check to go for a check raise,

Or, make a small bet that looks like a blocking bet, baiting the LAG to raise, then push over. A 15 dollar bet might be just the right size for this.

However, this difficult turn decision would be avoided if you didn't make the flop error in the first place.

AB

Robin Donks · #7 02-22-2007, 01:39 PM

You don't cbet this kind of villains. You value bet them with TPTK + [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
Easy flop checkfold, save your money till you have a hand.

UncleKraut · #8 02-22-2007, 03:08 PM

Either fold to flop raise or bet the turn. Checking the turn is really bad IMO. You're just asking for him to take it away from you by checking the turn.

You'd be surprised how many times villain will fold if you lead turn for 1/2 pot to 2/3 pot.

FearNoArt · #9 02-23-2007, 12:45 AM

I knew that flop bet was spew, made me sick when it happened, like watching an accident in slow motion. Thanks for the detailed explanation AlienBoy, as well as everyone else who responded.