All my chips for ace high - on a read

Trent · #1 02-22-2007, 06:30 PM

Notes on Villian: slowplayed top two on drawy board via check/call flop and min cr turn. 19/6/2/50

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (6 handed)

saw flop|saw showdown

BB ($230)
UTG ($369.85)
MP ($212.05)
Trent ($190.70)
Button ($246.10)
SB ($291.15)

Preflop: Trent is CO with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
1 fold, MP calls $2, Trent raises to $10, 3 folds, MP calls $8.

Flop: ($23) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP checks, Trent bets $16, MP raises to $48, Trent raises to $180.7

Is this read any good, or am I just being trigger happy. I would prefer to confirm my read, but I think if I done that, I could never make any decisions at the table. Are you happy to commit all your chips on a thin read?

Trent

ikestoys · #2 02-22-2007, 06:31 PM

people can play hands diff, not a fan

FishSticks · #3 02-22-2007, 06:34 PM

I don't like this. I don't think c/c with top 2 in a different hand has much to do with this, the more important question is have you seen him c/r often and light? If so, nice-ish I suppose. If not (which I sense is the case), I don't like it.

amoeba · #4 02-22-2007, 06:35 PM

sure. Its fun to play some poker once in a while.

would suck getting it in against JXss though.

Trent · #5 02-22-2007, 06:36 PM

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people can play hands diff...

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But most stick to certain patterns. Good players play differently, I didn't read him as a good player.

Casper05 · #6 02-22-2007, 06:52 PM

would like it ok with the As; dont like this though.

Trent · #7 02-22-2007, 06:53 PM

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would suck getting it in against JXss though.

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The idea is to protect against the OESD 56 or a flush draw, and to bluff a small to medium pocket pair trying to make a move on me. I also get the extra benifiet of bluffing AJ, KJ, QJ occasionally. If I put him squarely on AJ, KJ, QJ, I probably wouldn't make this move as I think he would call to often; but I think he folds these every now and again.

amoeba · #8 02-22-2007, 06:59 PM

I understand the purpose of the push but you have no idea if hes only raising combo draws or if he is raising both naked draws, small pocket pairs. You are also behind 56ss and well behind JXss.

all you know is that this is likely not a monster but if hes only raising combo draws then this isn't a great play.

Trent · #9 02-22-2007, 07:01 PM

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would like it ok with the As; dont like this though.

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I actually would like my move less if I had the As, yes it gives me more outs, but it also reduces villians bluffing range. The nut flush is a nice hand to semibluff with, and as a bonus, I have it dominated.

Trent

RiverHebrew2 · #10 02-22-2007, 07:02 PM

He couldn't have AJ or set? Jus b/c he slowplays top two pair on drawy flop by smoothcalling and minraising turn doesn't mean he couldn't be playing faster here, and now he is OOP vs the preflop raiser, while before, he couldve had position, explaining his tricky smoothcalling. He could easily have 56ss, 89ss, T8ss, or JQ, which are often limp/calling preflop raise ranges and almost always c/r this flop. I don't lke this play I think you're getting called- anyone bad enough to limp preflop and call a pf ray OOP won't fold top pair or HUGE draw...