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Old 02-20-2007, 10:36 PM
Adelson Adelson is offline
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Default Preflop implied odds with small pairs

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BB ($100)
Hero ($100)
Button ($113.20)
SB ($99.05)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $4</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $14</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero folds.

Button is tight-aggressive, let's say 19/17/2.6 stats.

What is the worst pair you are calling?
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Old 02-20-2007, 10:37 PM
Dan Bitel Dan Bitel is offline
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Default Re: Preflop implied odds with small pairs

I doubt I call with worse than TT
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Old 02-21-2007, 01:06 PM
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Default Re: Preflop implied odds with small pairs

ur calling range should depend on a few factors other than vpip/pfr/af - that said, dan gave a solid answer that, without other reads, i agree with
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Old 02-21-2007, 01:09 PM
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Default Re: Preflop implied odds with small pairs

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I doubt I call with worse than TT

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whoa

fwiw i call w/ any pair here unless he is really good.
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Old 02-21-2007, 01:09 PM
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Default Re: Preflop implied odds with small pairs

4 handed you don't call with worse than 1010???
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Old 02-21-2007, 01:16 PM
Kilillan Kilillan is offline
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Default Re: Preflop implied odds with small pairs

depends on table image really

I do call with wider than TT+ however
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Old 02-21-2007, 01:18 PM
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Default Re: Preflop implied odds with small pairs

alot of times people call in this spot trying to spike a set. what you have to understand is that
a) everytime you flop a set you wont stack villain, so implied odds arent as much as you think they are.
b) you could go set over set
c) it is tough to extract OOP

that being said i still call here alot but it has to be a leak
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Old 02-21-2007, 01:18 PM
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Default Re: Preflop implied odds with small pairs

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4 handed you don't call with worse than 1010???

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I think this is fine, if you also adjust by by 3-betting him lighter and tightening up you opening range. There are more than one ways to adjust, and its hard to play small pairs OOP unless you plan on "bluffing" a lot of flops.
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Old 02-21-2007, 03:32 PM
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Default Re: Preflop implied odds with small pairs

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I doubt I call with worse than TT

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What range do you put villian on here? Im assuming you put him on Ax+, K10+, qj, any PP (maybe even a SC). All of these hands TT is +EV with the exception of JJ-AA of course. Calling lower PP's doesn't change the -EV range every much. Calling with 55 for example adds 66-TT to the -EV range while keeping the rest of hands +EV.

Of course this assumes you can navigate a cbet by villian on flop (I often C/R here).

What I'm trying to say in short is there is no real difference in odds from TT vs AJ+ and 55 vs AJ+.
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