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Old 02-16-2007, 12:53 PM
freedom18 freedom18 is offline
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Default Re: $25 AA unimproved, villian shoves turn

the minraise on the flop and donk all in on the turn look like such a bluff, why would a fish play 888 like that [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]
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Old 02-16-2007, 12:56 PM
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Default Re: $25 AA unimproved, villian shoves turn

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the minraise on the flop and donk all in on the turn look like such a bluff, why would a fish play 888 like that [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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Min-raising monsters is one of the first things taught in Donk 101.
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Old 02-16-2007, 01:20 PM
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Getting close to 3-1 odds, call this all day long. Villain has to felt any overpair.

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Old 02-16-2007, 01:33 PM
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Raise to $1.75 preflop, $3-3.50 on flop,

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Old 02-16-2007, 01:38 PM
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Default Re: $25 AA unimproved, villian shoves turn

I think I'd just push this flop after his raise. He probably puts you on missed high cards like AK/AQs and thinks he can bully you. Given his stats, I think an 8 is unlikely, and he could very well have TT-QQ maybe even KK. As played, I call the turn push, you've got to be at least 3-1 here.
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Old 02-16-2007, 02:12 PM
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Default Re: $25 AA unimproved, villian shoves turn

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Min-raising monsters is one of the first things taught in Donk 101.

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Yep. And not just min-raising, but min-check-raising. That usually screams trouble at these levels, no?
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Old 02-16-2007, 03:05 PM
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Default Re: $25 AA unimproved, villian shoves turn

I would definately put him all-in on the flop...

Minraise preflop can also mean KK or AA, I would put him on KK and raise him all-in on the flop. If he has A8s, so be it...
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Old 02-16-2007, 03:12 PM
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Min-raising monsters is one of the first things taught in Donk 101.

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Yep. And not just min-raising, but min-check-raising. That usually screams trouble at these levels, no?

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It means either villain thinks he has a big hand (75+% of the time) or he thinks he can price his draw in this way.

I used to joke that the best way to scare a 2+2er was to min-raise or min-check raise the turn.
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Old 02-16-2007, 03:25 PM
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It means either villain thinks he has a big hand (75+% of the time) or he thinks he can price his draw in this way.

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In my limited experience, it's almost always a big hand. I don't see a lot of guys at this level who are thinking about pricing in draws.

Of course, what complicates this hand is that villians could very well think they have a monster and still be behind us.
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