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Old 02-14-2007, 12:25 PM
fooz fooz is offline
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Default NL50 (6): shove-it or give up?

Villain is a predictable tag that often takes his draws too far: 20/14/2.5/24 after 1k+ hands.
Hero has been playing a little tighter than usual and not getting out of line.

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Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
4 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $35.60
Button: $58.40
SB: $51.80
Hero: $50.75

Pre-flop: (4 players) Hero is BB with 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
UTG folds, <font color="#000000">Button raises to $2</font>, SB folds, Hero calls.

Flop: 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($4.25, 2 players)
Hero checks, <font color="#000000">Button bets $3</font>, <font color="#000000">Hero raises to $10</font>, Button calls.

Turn: A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($24.25, 2 players)
<font color="#000000">Hero bets $12</font>, Button calls.

River: K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($48.25, 2 players)
Hero ?

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Have I gone mad on this hand? And even if I have, what would you do on the river?
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Old 02-14-2007, 12:40 PM
AceLuby AceLuby is offline
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Default Re: NL50 (6): shove-it or give up?

If your read is solid then I say push to take the pot if he's on a draw. W/out reads this is an easy c/f.
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Old 02-14-2007, 12:48 PM
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Default Re: NL50 (6): shove-it or give up?

I really don't like this hand. At all. When I bluff someone I try to have a backup plan, and you don't have one here (drawing to 2 outs) AND you are out of position. I suppose c/r the flop is ok (I wouldn't) but you need to shut down when you get called. The turn is an awful card for you. Even if he had a draw on the flop, he probably hit TP on the turn and he's not folding that. c/f the turn.

As played. c/f the river.
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Old 02-14-2007, 12:49 PM
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Default Re: NL50 (6): shove-it or give up?

bet more on turn
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Old 02-14-2007, 12:55 PM
Acein8ter Acein8ter is offline
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Default Re: NL50 (6): shove-it or give up?

The A turn did not scare him... hmm, your also playing OOP. I'd CF river to aggression, but your other option is to push, but I'm sure you'll get called here. (Lucky AQ?)
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Old 02-14-2007, 01:03 PM
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Default Re: NL50 (6): shove-it or give up?

Villain raised preflop. Although he could be stealing, these high cards on turn and river should be worriesome for you. And you can't really try to represent one, because you already c/r'ed him on the flop. You are basically trying to represent a set here. Villain played his hand passively after his cbet so he might actually have been drawing. But when you say he takes his draws too far, that means that he is a calling station in general, probably. With the three high cards it's just too unlikely that he folds, imo. And you can only put about half the pot in there, so he is getting 3:1 odds on the call. I don't like it.
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Old 02-14-2007, 01:17 PM
Splossy Splossy is offline
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Default Re: NL50 (6): shove-it or give up?

I don't get this hand. You're not saying he's a loose idiot but a solid ABC TAG. So when a Q high flop arrives and he bets, it's not all that unlikely he matched his queen. Once he calls the C/R you are surely beaten.

Just because he takes draws too far doesn't mean that everytime 2 suited cards appear on the flop he is drawing.

From afar it appears you are bluffing OOP with a low pair against a guy who repped high cards on a board full of high cards - at a level where bluffing doesn't work. And he's a calling station who can't be bluffed.
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Old 02-14-2007, 01:33 PM
DerrtySlime DerrtySlime is offline
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Default Re: NL50 (6): shove-it or give up?

turn is terrible. So is flop. now that 2 scare cards have came on turn and river( he could have called turn with a Q) i like pushing river.
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Old 02-14-2007, 01:57 PM
Maneh Maneh is offline
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Default Re: NL50 (6): shove-it or give up?

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I really don't like this hand. At all. When I bluff someone I try to have a backup plan, and you don't have one here (drawing to 2 outs) AND you are out of position. I suppose c/r the flop is ok (I wouldn't) but you need to shut down when you get called. The turn is an awful card for you. Even if he had a draw on the flop, he probably hit TP on the turn and he's not folding that. c/f the turn.

As played. c/f the river.

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Agree
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Old 02-14-2007, 02:00 PM
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Default Re: NL50 (6): shove-it or give up?

You need to work on you bet sizing.
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