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02-13-2007, 12:58 AM
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Re: $1700 from blackjack whoring?
What do you "high-roller" casino whores think might be a happy medium for those of us that are a little more risk-averse? I have a bankroll of around $5,000 right now. I don't see myself going out there dropping $100 per hand any time soon. What's a good bet size that ramps up the speed (and winrate), avoids some bonus banning, but isn't too crazy for us little fish? I know it depends on the player, the bonus, etc, but I'd love to get some of your general opinions.
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#32
02-13-2007, 01:14 AM
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Re: $1700 from blackjack whoring?
...all the little fish get banned everywhere within the first few months doing this micro-stakes/risk crap, anyone that says that they bet $2 a hand and have been doing casino bonsues semi-seriously for 2 years is either a liar or using gnome accounts.
You want the truth? Well the truth is, I have only been bonus banned from three casinos ever... 888.com, BeTheDealer and Cherry Casino. You see, betting small isn't what tells a casino that you are a bonus abuser... it is your deposit/withdrawal/game history that they are watching. Casino's are checking to see if you ONLY deposit with a bonus code, and withdraw as soon as you finish wagering. They are checking to see if you only play games such as blackjack, and never wager on the overwhelmingly negative EV games such as slots or bingo. That is why cover play is so important... but what do I know... according to you, I am obviously lying...sigh... I got baned on most of my early casinos betting $2 a hand...(bankroll was low...certainly didnt get reload offers) then when I moved onto bigger stakes suddenly I was never banned again. That certainly makes sense... I never argued with anyone that betting big wasn't the right way... simply that it wasn't MY way... If you really want to learn about EV read some of DS's old gambling books....he talks about betting large amounts, sure it effects risk of ruin big time, but I believe it's actually more +EV in the long run....he made a post about it about 6 months or so ago about it here or in the magazine.... So what? ... I gamble online for a living... so risk of ruin is a pretty big hairy deal for me; getting slighty more +EV in the long run is less important to me than being able to making a living from month to month. BTW americans...Bonuses are dead for us (and if not completely dead...very soon to be)...dont waste your money or time. You can find other ways to make $10 an hour. :P /ramble ... I do agree, casino gambling is difficult for people living in the US right now, but then again... pretty much ALL forms of online gambling are difficult for US citizens to take part in right now... also, I have to ask, where is this $10 an hour figure coming from?... my hourly rate from casino/poker/sportsbook bonuses is way more than that...
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#33
02-13-2007, 01:52 AM
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Re: $1700 from blackjack whoring?
...all the little fish get banned everywhere within the first few months doing this micro-stakes/risk crap, anyone that says that they bet $2 a hand and have been doing casino bonsues semi-seriously for 2 years is either a liar or using gnome accounts.
You want the truth? Well the truth is, I have only been bonus banned from three casinos ever... 888.com, BeTheDealer and Cherry Casino. please address the question about gnome accounts...this seems the only likely answer. I'm just saying there were a lot of us on this bonus forum when it first started....and at BW casino, casino dave..yadda yadda ....I just dont see how you never ran out of bonuses....BJ bonuses were rare 6 months ago if you had already done the huge list of initial signups....I dont see how there are any more of them now. My main reloads were for paigow and 3CP. You see, betting small isn't what tells a casino that you are a bonus abuser... it is your deposit/withdrawal/game history that they are watching. Casino's are checking to see if you ONLY deposit with a bonus code, and withdraw as soon as you finish wagering. They are checking to see if you only play games such as blackjack, and never wager on the overwhelmingly negative EV games such as slots or bingo. This topic again has seen dozens of posts in this forum alone....the casinos go off of what all cainos go off of...hell its the same thing we go off of.... E freakin V, its +ev more in the shortrun for the casino if I bet high, the bonus is negligable compared to my ROR That is why cover play is so important... but what do I know... according to you, I am obviously lying...sigh... I was very open with most of my casinos that I was only playing there because of the bonus. I never spent a dollar more than I had to for the bonus. When I won big I wouldnt hear anything from the casino for a while, until I cameback and lost big there....but when I got smacked for a 1-2K loss...you bet I had a weekly reload for at lesat 2 months. Im not per se saying you are lying....im just saying that there were a lot of us BW's when this forum first started that know about most of the bonuses out there....and there have been hundreds of posts on this topic all pointing in the same direction....big bets = more money and EV. I got baned on most of my early casinos betting $2 a hand...(bankroll was low...certainly didnt get reload offers) then when I moved onto bigger stakes suddenly I was never banned again. That certainly makes sense... I never argued with anyone that betting big wasn't the right way... simply that it wasn't MY way... If you really want to learn about EV read some of DS's old gambling books....he talks about betting large amounts, sure it effects risk of ruin big time, but I believe it's actually more +EV in the long run....he made a post about it about 6 months or so ago about it here or in the magazine.... So what? ... I gamble online for a living... so risk of ruin is a pretty big hairy deal for me; getting slighty more +EV in the long run is less important to me than being able to making a living from month to month. Ummm....this sounds like a serious problem if your bankroll cant support you to make the most +EV decisions when gambling....if you meant this in another way please explain. BTW americans...Bonuses are dead for us (and if not completely dead...very soon to be)...dont waste your money or time. You can find other ways to make $10 an hour. :P /ramble ... I do agree, casino gambling is difficult for people living in the US right now, but then again... pretty much ALL forms of online gambling are difficult for US citizens to take part in right now... also, I have to ask, where is this $10 an hour figure coming from?... my hourly rate from casino/poker/sportsbook bonuses is way more than that... [i]I'm intersted how you include sportsbook in this....doesnt it take all of 30 seconds to place an online bet? Or are you talking about research time?.....also if you are multitabling poker, making sports bets, researching sports bets AND playing blackjack bonuses all at the same time to factor your hourly rate...then yeah...Unless you have like 4 arms im not sure how youd be making more than $10 an hour from blackjack bonuses? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img][i]
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#34
02-13-2007, 02:03 AM
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Re: $1700 from blackjack whoring?
[ QUOTE ]
What do you "high-roller" casino whores think might be a happy medium for those of us that are a little more risk-averse? I have a bankroll of around $5,000 right now. I don't see myself going out there dropping $100 per hand any time soon. What's a good bet size that ramps up the speed (and winrate), avoids some bonus banning, but isn't too crazy for us little fish? I know it depends on the player, the bonus, etc, but I'd love to get some of your general opinions. [/ QUOTE ] I never bet less than $5 a hand....and that was only if it was a small deposit bonus. Busting sucks...trust me....Ive been there, but I can say that I never had a negative month casino whoring....ever. I made a lot of cash every month and still took some really serious losses at the same time. Also...I have no idea what casinos are left out there since the preverbial poo has hit the fan for US folk...(I went thorugh about 2 months recently where I got 4-6 account cancellation emails a day from sites I could barely remember!).... but if there are any you can still use an autoclicker on then make your bigger bets on that site. I had 1 or 2 that sent me a tuesday and wednesday bonus up to 1K a piece on like a 4K deposit....easy money. Autoclicking $25 a hand BJ for a few hours while I sleep...lol...license to print money. You need to build up your roll....eventually you'll hit a big win as you move up in stakes...or maybe hit a huge sticky bonus or two (why doesnt anyone talk about stickies anymore?? No more GambOOl left in these kiddies??!!)
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#35
02-13-2007, 02:35 AM
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Re: $1700 from blackjack whoring?
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please address the question about gnome accounts...this seems the only likely answer. I'm just saying there were a lot of us on this bonus forum when it first started....and at BW casino, casino dave..yadda yadda ....I just dont see how you never ran out of bonuses....BJ bonuses were rare 6 months ago if you had already done the huge list of initial signups....I dont see how there are any more of them now. My main reloads were for paigow and 3CP. [/ QUOTE ] Actually, I have mentioned in another recent thread, that I believe (like yourself) that there are definitely much fewer blackjack bonuses. However, I also believe that there are more video poker and 3CP bonuses. The game of choice for clearing casino bonuses has always been shifting. Some 3-4 years ago the game of choice was no-risk wagering on roulette (I believe)... 1-2 years ago, it was mini-bet blackjack... and now over the past 6 months, it has mostly been video poker (although that is now beginning to change as well). Also, in answer to your question, yes, there are players that use gnoming accounts. However, from what I have discussed with them, their gnoming accounts haven't come as a result of their original account being closed... but rather from them wanting to get the bonus from that casino multiple times over. Basically, Greed... not Need. [ QUOTE ] I was very open with most of my casinos that I was only playing there because of the bonus. I never spent a dollar more than I had to for the bonus. When I won big I wouldnt hear anything from the casino for a while, until I cameback and lost big there....but when I got smacked for a 1-2K loss...you bet I had a weekly reload for at lesat 2 months. Im not per se saying you are lying....im just saying that there were a lot of us BW's when this forum first started that know about most of the bonuses out there....and there have been hundreds of posts on this topic all pointing in the same direction....big bets = more money and EV. [/ QUOTE ] And I will repeat myself and say, once again, that I do not dispute big betting when chasing for casino bonuses. However, I choose not to do it myself... [ QUOTE ] So what? ... I gamble online for a living... so risk of ruin is a pretty big hairy deal for me; getting slighty more +EV in the long run is less important to me than being able to making a living from month to month. Ummm....this sounds like a serious problem if your bankroll cant support you to make the most +EV decisions when gambling....if you meant this in another way please explain. [/ QUOTE ] Do not worry, my bankroll can more than support my gambling investments. If I chose to bet big at the casino's, a bad month could see my bankroll reduced by as much 25-30%... that would be a bad hit for sure... but not a devistating one. However, as I have stated in a previous post in this thread, my bankroll is used first and foremost for poker. I always want to be well bankrolled for the level that I play. And to do that, I cannot afford to put myself in a position whereby a bad month at the casino tables, means that I have to drop down a few poker levels;... [ QUOTE ] I'm intersted how you include sportsbook in this....doesnt it take all of 30 seconds to place an online bet? Or are you talking about research time?.....also if you are multitabling poker, making sports bets, researching sports bets AND playing blackjack bonuses all at the same time to factor your hourly rate...then yeah...Unless you have like 4 arms im not sure how youd be making more than $10 an hour from blackjack bonuses? [/ QUOTE ] I only ever do two things at once. So I play poker and clear a casino bonus... or I clear a sports book bonus whilst playing poker. Of course, I can't do everything at once. I always reserach the sports books, looking for a sports arbitrage oppurtunity, so that I can take down the sports book bonus, virtually risk free. Somedays, you can find arbs instantly... other days, it takes a bit of searching around. Mostly its the wagering requirment that takes time... you often need to place 2 or 3 bets, before you can withdraw the sports book bonus. Also, if you read my first post in this thread... I answer the OP's question by saying that I average £10 an hour from the casino blackjack bonus alone (which, with the current exchange rate, is around $20 per hour). However, I play that one casino table ALONGSIDE a number of poker tables. I do not find that kind of multi-tasking, difficult. Also, that £10 casino blackjack bonus earn rate is only based upon me playing blackjack (I have a different rate for video poker and 3CP bonuses). However, since the OP seemed to be a BW beginner, I quoted only the numbers for my blackjack return. However I did also mention that he could also make extra lucrative money if he had a look at other types of bonuses as well.
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#36
02-13-2007, 10:16 AM
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Re: $1700 from blackjack whoring?
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[ QUOTE ] please address the question about gnome accounts...this seems the only likely answer. I'm just saying there were a lot of us on this bonus forum when it first started....and at BW casino, casino dave..yadda yadda ....I just dont see how you never ran out of bonuses....BJ bonuses were rare 6 months ago if you had already done the huge list of initial signups....I dont see how there are any more of them now. My main reloads were for paigow and 3CP. [/ QUOTE ] Actually, I have mentioned in another recent thread, that I believe (like yourself) that there are definitely much fewer blackjack bonuses. However, I also believe that there are more video poker and 3CP bonuses. The game of choice for clearing casino bonuses has always been shifting. Some 3-4 years ago the game of choice was no-risk wagering on roulette (I believe)... 1-2 years ago, it was mini-bet blackjack... and now over the past 6 months, it has mostly been video poker (although that is now beginning to change as well). Also, in answer to your question, yes, there are players that use gnoming accounts. However, from what I have discussed with them, their gnoming accounts haven't come as a result of their original account being closed... but rather from them wanting to get the bonus from that casino multiple times over. Basically, Greed... not Need. [ QUOTE ] I was very open with most of my casinos that I was only playing there because of the bonus. I never spent a dollar more than I had to for the bonus. When I won big I wouldnt hear anything from the casino for a while, until I cameback and lost big there....but when I got smacked for a 1-2K loss...you bet I had a weekly reload for at lesat 2 months. Im not per se saying you are lying....im just saying that there were a lot of us BW's when this forum first started that know about most of the bonuses out there....and there have been hundreds of posts on this topic all pointing in the same direction....big bets = more money and EV. [/ QUOTE ] And I will repeat myself and say, once again, that I do not dispute big betting when chasing for casino bonuses. However, I choose not to do it myself... [ QUOTE ] So what? ... I gamble online for a living... so risk of ruin is a pretty big hairy deal for me; getting slighty more +EV in the long run is less important to me than being able to making a living from month to month. Ummm....this sounds like a serious problem if your bankroll cant support you to make the most +EV decisions when gambling....if you meant this in another way please explain. [/ QUOTE ] Do not worry, my bankroll can more than support my gambling investments. If I chose to bet big at the casino's, a bad month could see my bankroll reduced by as much 25-30%... that would be a bad hit for sure... but not a devistating one. However, as I have stated in a previous post in this thread, my bankroll is used first and foremost for poker. I always want to be well bankrolled for the level that I play. And to do that, I cannot afford to put myself in a position whereby a bad month at the casino tables, means that I have to drop down a few poker levels;... [ QUOTE ] I'm intersted how you include sportsbook in this....doesnt it take all of 30 seconds to place an online bet? Or are you talking about research time?.....also if you are multitabling poker, making sports bets, researching sports bets AND playing blackjack bonuses all at the same time to factor your hourly rate...then yeah...Unless you have like 4 arms im not sure how youd be making more than $10 an hour from blackjack bonuses? [/ QUOTE ] I only ever do two things at once. So I play poker and clear a casino bonus... or I clear a sports book bonus whilst playing poker. Of course, I can't do everything at once. I always reserach the sports books, looking for a sports arbitrage oppurtunity, so that I can take down the sports book bonus, virtually risk free. Somedays, you can find arbs instantly... other days, it takes a bit of searching around. Mostly its the wagering requirment that takes time... you often need to place 2 or 3 bets, before you can withdraw the sports book bonus. Also, if you read my first post in this thread... I answer the OP's question by saying that I average £10 an hour from the casino blackjack bonus alone (which, with the current exchange rate, is around $20 per hour). However, I play that one casino table ALONGSIDE a number of poker tables. I do not find that kind of multi-tasking, difficult. Also, that £10 casino blackjack bonus earn rate is only based upon me playing blackjack (I have a different rate for video poker and 3CP bonuses). However, since the OP seemed to be a BW beginner, I quoted only the numbers for my blackjack return. However I did also mention that he could also make extra lucrative money if he had a look at other types of bonuses as well. [/ QUOTE ] Cool....keep it up then. Maybe Ill move to the UK.
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#37
02-13-2007, 03:38 PM
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Re: $1700 from blackjack whoring?
Im pretty much doing the same thing as Ray. Started off doing poker in 2005, fully migrated to casinos in October'06 with a dash of poker on the side, now moved onto sportsbook whoring with a dash of casinos on the side and a hint of poker [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]. Sportsbook whoring is by far the MOST PROFITABLE, QUICKEST, and RISK-FREE compared to casinos and poker and more importantly, you get to do have fun and do things you never do WITHOUT CONSEQUENCES. It takes me ~5-10 minutes to find an arb and I recently turned a $500 Freeplay bonus into $1750 by winning two 3 team parlays and one 6 team parlays which pays out at a rate of 22.5:1! It's unfortunate that I fooled around too much and split up my FP money into too many bets, cause I could have made $2250-$5000 on my last bet!
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#38
02-14-2007, 08:38 AM
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Re: $1700 from blackjack whoring?
can you answer me a quick question
with sportsbook whoring - do you have to be alert at all times to the possibilities, and therefore have to have the ability to place wagers during the working day? If not, don't the arbs disappear? I can only get onto gambling sites from home and so only play between 9pm and midnight --- hence I do Casino bonuses rather than Sportsbook bonuses. However I am prepared to investigate sportsbook whoring if that would be practical from my limited timeframes availabel for whoring
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#39
02-14-2007, 04:29 PM
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Re: $1700 from blackjack whoring?
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can you answer me a quick question with sportsbook whoring - do you have to be alert at all times to the possibilities, and therefore have to have the ability to place wagers during the working day? [/ QUOTE ] For me, the best time is 2 hours and less before game time. Anything else before that is a crap shoot. I'm trying to find arbs for a 7:30 NBA game right now and there's not much. [ QUOTE ] If not, don't the arbs disappear? [/ QUOTE ] If it's a really good arb, it would disappear in less than a minute. It's not really a big problem though, just settle for the next arb. The point of arbbing isn't to sit around and wait for positive arbs all the time because sometimes you'll find one and sometimes you won't (more often you won't). Settling for a negative -2 or -3 arb is standard and I wouldn't mind losing a couple bucks here and there to be able to move onto the next bonus faster. Of course when a positive arb presents itself, you should strive to take it. [ QUOTE ] I can only get onto gambling sites from home and so only play between 9pm and midnight --- hence I do Casino bonuses rather than Sportsbook bonuses. However I am prepared to investigate sportsbook whoring if that would be practical from my limited timeframes availabel for whoring [/ QUOTE ] Most games are done or in progress at 9pm. You might be able to bet on the 10pm NBA games but you are severely limiting your options if you do that.
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