how i saved poker perhaps??

[E.Z.]

poker can be proven to be skill by phili ivey or many other pros.

1000 hands of NL cash games.

vs. average player,or housewife that knows the rules ect.

PRO- plays with looking at just 1 card
or zero cards
or zero cards and doesn't look at the board.

if the PROS oppenent did not know he wasn't looking i think the PRO could still be ahead at the end of the cash game (1000 hands) in the 90% range.
prob higher if they were playing limit poker for 1000 hands.

i'm sure i'm not the 1st to think of this angle but it makes more sense or has a better chance of showing it.
no offense Mr. Sklansky ( i am a fan of yours)

[playah8er]

if he isnt looking at his cards is he actually playing poker then? or is he simply better at pattern recognition and tells than his opponent. if its the latter couldnt you as easily claim a professional poker player could beat your average person at paper rock scissors over 1000 tries greater than 90% of the time? paper rock scissors is a game of pure luck but pattern recognition and trends play heavily into it in a long run and your average professional poker player's skill set is going to be much better attuned to picking up on those things than joe schmoe.

[Dane S]

In limit the pro would probably LOSE 90% of the time. Not sure about NL but I don't think it would be much different... you may have watched Rounders one too many times.

[tendog]

The part of this that is missing is that Ivey's opponent would have to not know he is not looking at both cards.

Its going to be alot easier for his opponent to make a big calldown if he knows Ivey has not seen his cards.

Alot of online gaming opponents though acknowledge that poker is a game of skill and in general they dont care. I guess proving its skill does have some legal use though.

[E.Z.]

you may be correct about limit being tougher. but i see people online that simply will not call a raise or call the 1st bet unless they have something. and on that rare time they get something they just check call. ivey would know when to continuation bet it or check it down.

( keep in mind if he does bet through and some fish calls him down with ace high, ivey would still get to turn his cards over to see if he won...lol.

there is only a small percent of people that play for real money online. but yet prob 50% of the male population thinks he is pretty good at poker, ask anyone...it may be more like 75%. to me, there is no way in hell one of these guys could come out with more money after $1000 hands very often if Ivey is aloud to look at the board and 1 of his whole cards. and he could def. beat a passive player without looking at all.

[prodonkey]

"Ivey is aloud to look at the board and 1 of his whole cards"

Could he quietly look at half a card?

[tendog]

EZ does Ivey's opponent know he is not looking at both cards?

also if his opponent is a donk who never folds he probably is not winning unless he just gives and pushes preflop everytime.

Against weak tight opposition he would likely win. The big problem is at some point you need to change gears and not knowing your whole cards does not allow you to trap someone.

[Artsemis]

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"Ivey is aloud to look at the board and 1 of his whole cards"

Could he quietly look at half a card?

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[E.Z.]

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EZ does Ivey's opponent know he is not looking at both cards?

also if his opponent is a donk who never folds he probably is not winning unless he just gives and pushes preflop everytime.

Against weak tight opposition he would likely win. The big problem is at some point you need to change gears and not knowing your whole cards does not allow you to trap someone.

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opponent doesn't know of course. the average just for fun home game player is worse than most the donks online.
( i.e. see live casino limit at a casino near you)

in limit, ivey would raise every time and the donk would call what?? 30%, 40% if he was your typical player freaked out by short handed. ( let alone against a guy he knows he can't beat)

the donk would not lose his arse in 1000 hands but i think when the cash game is over, Ivey would have more cash than he started with and easily do this in more than 50% of the sessions.

try it some time at whatever stakes you are willing to prove how unskilled some players are. I went 2 outa 4 in heads up sit and goes on bodog while drunk (looking at 1 card)one night

[Armando Chiosi]

Dear Mr Sklansky there is a PM 4 you!

regards,

assokid!