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Old 02-07-2007, 11:35 PM
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Default KQs against 3bet

The table had been playing fairly tight. It´s my third orbit and have not seen many showdowns so no reads.

I´ve been toying around with pokerstove and although at the time I wanted to fold so bad it seems it wasn´t as marginal as I thought.

I might be using the wrong hand ranges on both the turn and the river(TT+,AQs,AK).

Just called on all streets. Kind of inducing bets from hands that might fold if I bet.

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is CO with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
UTG calls, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Button 3-bets</font>, 3 folds, Hero calls.

Flop: T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (8.5SB, 2 players)
Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">Button bets</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5.25BB, 2 players)
Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">Button bets</font>, Hero calls.

River: 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (7.25BB, 2 players)
Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">Button bets</font>, Hero calls.
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Old 02-07-2007, 11:46 PM
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Default Re: KQs against 3bet

c/r or b/c turn
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Old 02-07-2007, 11:54 PM
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Default Re: KQs against 3bet

the fact ur range is probably a bit tighter than it should be and doesnt account for tatally stupid things villain could do means ur call is even less marginal than pokerstove says.

this hands totally standard

i wouldnt feel great on the river hes betting a worse hand but what are u gonna do check fold? calling has to be slightly +EV vs almost everyone and u dont have a read to make this fold. Plus after u just call the turn many people will make a vb with less than top pair ( i would)
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Old 02-08-2007, 12:14 AM
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Default Re: KQs against 3bet

bet river
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Old 02-08-2007, 12:20 AM
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Default Re: KQs against 3bet

scary what are u doing if 3bet on the turn? gopnik are u bet folding?
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Old 02-08-2007, 12:22 AM
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Default Re: KQs against 3bet

Just curious here. Tight table, no one has stood out as overaggressive in three orbits(usually you will have at least a suspicion by then). Who is not peeling this flop?
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Old 02-08-2007, 12:37 AM
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Default Re: KQs against 3bet

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c/r or b/c turn

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I´m lost here. Trying to understand the reasoning behind your line.

c/r: He calls with 99,JJ,KQ,AKo. He 3bets with a set, AQ, KK+.
Sometimes calls or raises with AJ AK [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
And probably folds 77-.
Therefore if I get 3 bet I?

b/c: I value bet the hand and if raised ...


You want to showdown this hand no matter what, am I right?
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Old 02-08-2007, 12:37 AM
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Default Re: KQs against 3bet

its only been 3 orbits and he said he hasnt seen many showdowns yet so i dont think that matters a ton really.

Even if we assume its a tight villain, i peel with just the Ts there is good enough for me laying almost 10:1
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Old 02-08-2007, 05:26 PM
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Default Re: KQs against 3bet

If I peel the flop i'm going to assume that I have the best hand if I hit.

Peeling the flop and then calling down makes little sense. I would C/R the turn and lead the river.
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Old 02-08-2007, 05:33 PM
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Default Re: KQs against 3bet

I think check/raising the turn is a bit overkill without a read, and he might check through sometimes. I would've led the turn and called down a raise.
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