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Old 02-08-2007, 12:31 PM
NYWalker NYWalker is offline
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Default Turned ten full ace, How to get max from a loose player?

Commerce LAPC $540 Turbo 6-Handed

Blinds 50/100

Hero (3200) UTG raise to 300 with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
BB (2500, a loose weak player, who likes to steal "for sale" pot ) calls.

2 players Pot 650.
Flop T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
Villain checks. (2200)
Hero bet 300.
Villain calls.

2 Players, Pot 1250.
Turn A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
Villain checks.
Hero check. (Is check good?)

2 Players, Pot 1250
River 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
Vilain bets 775 (leaving 1400 or so behind)
Hero?


How to get the most value here? Would a turn bet scare away villain?
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Old 02-08-2007, 12:36 PM
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Default Re: Turned ten full ace, How to get max from a loose player?

bet more on flop, turn check is ok, we're deep enough that i might just bet so I stack him when he has a strong hand.

shove river obv.
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Old 02-08-2007, 01:42 PM
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Default Re: Turned ten full ace, How to get max from a loose player?

I like the turn check. It represents something like AQ or AK even AJ that missed on the flop and c-bet/probe bet it after Villain checked.
Then gave up on the turn when Villain called on the flop.
I agree with Skier that the flop bet should be more, about 2/3 or even 3/4 pot looks like you are repping a c-bet there.
Given your read on Villain your check should induce him to stab at it on the river like he did.

Edit - because my spelling sucks.
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Old 02-08-2007, 01:47 PM
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Default Re: Turned ten full ace, How to get max from a loose player?

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bet more on flop, turn check is ok, we're deep enough that i might just bet so I stack him when he has a strong hand.

shove river obv.

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Old 02-08-2007, 03:37 PM
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Default Re: Turned ten full ace, How to get max from a loose player?

On the river, since villain doesn't have deep stack behind, pushing may look like a bluff and will get action if he has Ace or small pp.

On the other hand, given this particular villain (who likes to steal with air and *may* also think I have air too), if I mini-raise to 1550, he may be confused and really think I bluff with air and may call.

Flop bet is kinda tricky. I really don't want to lose him there. Turn is definately a check.

As played, I pushed and he mucked. I told the table I had 55. Someone did say my river push looked like a bluff. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Villain was on tilt and got busted when he moved in the next hand with KTo after a tight player raise 3B with AJs from CO.
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Old 02-08-2007, 04:03 PM
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Default Re: Turned ten full ace, How to get max from a loose player?

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On the river, since villain doesn't have deep stack behind, pushing may look like a bluff and will get action if he has Ace or small pp.

On the other hand, given this particular villain (who likes to steal with air and *may* also think I have air too), if I mini-raise to 1550, he may be confused and really think I bluff with air and may call.

this might be read specific (ie vs a particular opponent maybe minraising is better, i doubt it, but it can be possible), but im pretty sure that 99% of the time a shove has a >EV here

Flop bet is kinda tricky. I really don't want to lose him there. Turn is definately a check.

uh, i disagree, if the stacks are any deeper, turn is a def bet.

As played, I pushed and he mucked. I told the table I had 55. Someone did say my river push looked like a bluff. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Villain was on tilt and got busted when he moved in the next hand with KTo after a tight player raise 3B with AJs from CO.

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