Playing too Scared?

MrDiz · #1 02-08-2007, 12:51 PM

$11 sat to Sunday Million. Top 4 get seat.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Button (t4110)
SB (t3670)
BB (t485)
UTG (t1425)
UTG+1 (t1975)
MP1 (t1355)
Hero (t1745)
CO (t1805)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
3 folds, Hero raises to t90, CO calls t90, Button calls t90, SB calls t75, 1 fold.

Flop: (t390) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB bets t90, Hero calls t90, CO raises to t180, Button folds, SB calls t90, Hero calls t90.

Turn: (t930) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, CO checks.

River: (t930) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, CO checks.

Final Pot: t930

BigAlK · #2 02-08-2007, 05:11 PM

Possibly. Everything up to your check on the river seems okay to me. At that point you've got the 2nd nuts. I'm convinced that with the 4th diamond on the river you've got SB beat. I'd guess he hit the flop for at least top pair, maybe 2 pair or a set. A baby flush is possible. The min-raise on the flop from CO is either a representing a made flush, a move with air, or maybe Ad Xx taking a shot. I assume you've got no read or history with CO. Depending on your feel for what he has a check through on the river might be prudent. What was your plan if he bet instead of checked on the river?

WJL · #3 02-08-2007, 05:12 PM

Disclaimer: I'm a n00b and probably play my flush draws too hard at times.

After the flop, I think you played it about the way you had to, given your position. The Flop is where the action is, though.

You have the second nut flush draw here. SB is one of the big stacks, probably has a K and took a shot. CO made a textbook pot-odds flush draw bet; question is, does he have the ace? SB called to hang on and see if the diamond showed up. You have t180 invested in this pot before the call. A PSB at this point is about t700, and puts you in for a little more than half your stack; pretty aggressive, probably too aggressive for this situation. A smaller bet probably doesn't chase anyone out anyway.

Looking at the whole hand, I think you probably won it, but don't do too much second-guessing about not pushing a draw to the second nuts with 2 callers. You can find a better place to get all your money in there.

Merek007 · #4 02-08-2007, 05:16 PM

CO Reraised the flop, but checks the river? So K? or conected diamonds. Check on River says to me, he is either afraid of the flush or has a small flush.

But you acted first and had a KQ high flush and had to bet.
Something like 400-500 and hope for a call. Slow played Ad is unlikely.

omaha · #5 02-08-2007, 05:22 PM

I agree with all the others, well played, up till the river.

When you are called by three players holding aq off, the alarm bells start ringing in my head.

Have to bet the river though, maybe 250-300 for a suck bet?

JSH06 · #6 02-08-2007, 05:23 PM

Fold to flop bet. Definitely fold to flop raise. You have the 2nd nut flush draw with an overcard on a 3 card flush in a 4 way raised pot. Even if you hit your outs they might just make you lose more money. WTF get out fast.

Merek007 · #7 02-08-2007, 05:24 PM

And I agree with WJL and Big. flop and turn are fine. Must bet the River.

BigAlK · #8 02-08-2007, 05:28 PM

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But you acted first and had a KQ high flush and had to bet. Something like 400-500 and hope for a call. Slow played Ad is unlikely.

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Slow played Ad is unlikely for SB. He'd most likely lead for something you could call if that is what he had.

However, if you had AdXx in CO I think this line makes sense. Take your stab at the pot on the flop and when that doesn't work take the free river card and see what develops. I'm not sure that this is a huge part of his range here, but it has to be a possibility. If you're CO here with AdXx do you fire another bullet on the turn? I agree that he probably didn't have Ad in this specific hand, otherwise OP wouldn't have posted it. But that's not really relevant.

MikeMcQ1 · #9 02-08-2007, 05:33 PM

I think this was fine. Folding is also fine, but you're getting such a ridiculous price that your 2nd nut flush draw and possible Ace may good enough of the time that the call is OK. Check/call a reasonable river bet.

Merek007 · #10 02-08-2007, 05:34 PM

JSHO6? Why fold? Bet on flop makes Pot 480...Have the odds for 90 bet to 2nd nut flush? THis is without knowing the reraise is coming. Reraise is scarier, but now you are 90 more into a 500+ pot. If you think it is going to be checked. YOu have the odds for a call?? At that point I am expecting to have to C/F on the turn unless a diamond hits. Please point out where my logic has holes(still low on the learning curve)