AQo against check/raising LAG

Thorv · #1 02-07-2007, 05:50 PM

Maybe 8 or 9 orbits in...

Notes on villain:
"decent LAG
cold called 22 in UTG+1
cold called 3-bet CO w KQo"

Full Tilt Poker
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $2/$4
6 players
Converter

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
3 folds, Hero raises, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (6SB, 3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets, SB raises, BB calls, Hero calls.

Turn: 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (6BB, 3 players)
SB bets, BB calls, Hero calls.

River: 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (9BB, 3 players)
SB bets, BB folds, Hero calls.

Results:
Final pot: 11BB

I'm thinking he could be check/raising that flop with anything trying to push me off an "aceless hand". Plus, OTB raises never get any credit. Still, when he bet the river, I think I should have folded. Thoughts?

milesdyson · #2 02-07-2007, 06:07 PM

3-bet the flop.

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Still, when he bet the river, I think I should have folded. Thoughts?

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sharpie · #3 02-07-2007, 06:08 PM

Folding never crossed my mind. Either 3 bet the flop or raise the turn.

jstill · #4 02-07-2007, 06:08 PM

no way can u fold on the river, he could easily have A9 AT AJ or A3 or A2 for that matter (missed fd seems unlikely hed bet into 2 given read).

As played id raise the turn ur still well ahead of his range and BB isn't likely to have a better hand just calling on both streets (likely a fd calling two cold on the flop like this so charge him now).

if ur 3bet its pretty much never by a worse hand if this is a decent lag and not a maniac. U can probably either fold rite there but getting 12:1 id call and fold the river UI.

scottfred · #5 02-07-2007, 07:21 PM

I dont get it?

I've looked at the board 3 times now to make sure my eyes arnt playing up [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

dano · #6 02-07-2007, 07:40 PM

I'd throw in a raise somewhere, maybe on the river. Please don't fold. AQ is well ahead of the SB's c/r range here.

noob_sauce · #7 02-07-2007, 07:54 PM

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3-bet the flop.

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Still, when he bet the river, I think I should have folded. Thoughts?

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read the top of your post... and then the bottom of your post... you'd fold to this guy?

Thorv · #8 02-07-2007, 09:19 PM

[censored] hilarious. I don't think I've ever had a post where respondents tell me my river call is CORRECT! I think I call down way too much, and have been trying to find more spots where I should be folding. Guess this is not one of them.

I'm thinking at the time I saw that SB was calling with any hand and that he may check/raise on the flop with a straight draw. So when both the turn and river could have helped him, I was pretty skeptical when calling the river, knowing that he could easily be calling preflop with any 6 and any Ax, making two pair. And after he showed that two pair, this hand just became yet another one where I knew his hand and still called down.

Problem: I may now be over-correcting and focusing so much on trying to find places to fold that I'm missing the times that I should definitely be calling down.

In regards to the flop 3 or turn raise:
Normally, in this spot I always just call down when raised on the flop. Too often I'm fearing that villain does have something better, and even if he doesn't, is it worth risking a bet just to get 3-bet and fold? Should I be folding if I get re-raised on turn? Against this opponent? These kinds of questions make calling down so appealing, especially against opponents who are basically unknown.