(27) Two awkward low PP hands

MikeMcQ1 · #1 02-07-2007, 12:27 PM

Same table, same villains. SNGPT doesn't particularly love a push in either.

Button is 18/0, SB is 15/9, BB is 30/12

PokerStars Tournament, Big Blind is t150 (6 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com

UTG (t2825)
UTG+1 (t725)
Hero (t1715)
Button (t2000)
SB (t3255)
BB (t2980)

Preflop: Hero is in CO with 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, Hero...

SB is 18/0, BB is 15/9

PokerStars Tournament, Big Blind is t150 (5 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com

UTG (t5768)
CO (t762)
Hero (t1565)
SB (t2225)
BB (t3180)

Preflop: Hero is in Button with 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
UTG folds, CO folds, Hero...

kbar13 · #2 02-07-2007, 12:35 PM

1st hand: Has the BB been calling wide, or has he been loose earlier in the game? I can probably fold this one. Our stack is fairly decent right now, and risking a bust with a weak hand at this point I don't really care for

2nd hand: This is one of the weaker points of my game, but I probably push this. SB is probably calling fairly tight becuase he would be putting in almost all of his chips. This could be a huge leak of mine though.

TheTROLL · #3 02-07-2007, 12:45 PM

I'd call both, you're not into push/fold territory yet. If the players behind you aren't raising maniacally, try to see a cheap flop for a set and a big win.

kbar13 · #4 02-07-2007, 12:47 PM

Calling here is absolute spewage imo. Take the lead and push, or fold. I would really like to hear others opinions on these though, because I think I am way too aggressive in thses spots.

Sparta45 · #5 02-07-2007, 02:01 PM

I would fold the first one. You have 11 bb's and 55 isn't strong enough to push from the CO.

The second one, I think 33 is probably strong enough to push from the button, but only because the SB and BB are pretty tight. If they were looser, I think it's a fold.

BHokie1 · #6 02-07-2007, 02:17 PM

1. Fold

2. Usually push, sounds like the they're tight enough to do so.

DevinLake · #7 02-07-2007, 04:27 PM

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I'd call both, you're not into push/fold territory yet. If the players behind you aren't raising maniacally, try to see a cheap flop for a set and a big win.

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Where are all these chips necessary for the 'big win' going to come from?

ger664 · #8 02-07-2007, 04:50 PM

I think both of these hands are close to the same. They are very marginal.
The first is an easier fold.

The second one needs to be folded at least 85% to make it good. I think you need a read that At least one is as tight as a ducks ass to make a shove good.

AMT · #9 02-07-2007, 04:54 PM

does depend on your image, both are probably close, but from first glance id fold in hand 1 and shove hand 2.

AnthonyV · #10 02-07-2007, 06:12 PM

I def fold #1.

#2 is tough for me. The relevant read for two is not necessarily the calling ranges for the blinds, but to me what is frequently more important is my assessment of whether the blinds realize that I what to do regarding ICM. If I feel that is the case (i.e. BB is a regular) then this is an easier fold for me. Otherwise, I think it's a push.