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#11
02-06-2007, 06:42 PM
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Re: Raise for value?
lol misread the hand firsttime around...
i would bet the turn i would also raise the river but i am also not used to full ring since its been a long, long time. 
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#12
02-06-2007, 06:47 PM
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Re: Raise for value?
full ring I would definitely only call the river.
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#15
02-06-2007, 07:56 PM
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Re: Raise for value?
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Definitely just call when he bets so big on an overcard river in a full ring game. [/ QUOTE ] Yeah thats what I figured and thats what I did. He showed AA and I started wondering if he might call a push with AA/AK because it might look like I missed my draw.
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#16
02-06-2007, 07:57 PM
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Re: Raise for value?
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He showed AA and I started wondering if he might call a push with AA/AK because it might look like I missed my draw. [/ QUOTE ] what is that old commericial, the tootsie roll one? it goes something like... "how many licks till the center of a tootsie roll pop?" ~fruitless licking occurs~ "the world may never know".
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#17
02-06-2007, 07:59 PM
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Re: Raise for value?
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lol misread the hand firsttime around... i would bet the turn i would also raise the river but i am also not used to full ring since its been a long, long time. [/ QUOTE ] If you bet the turn here you're probably folding to a CRai. This is results-based obviously but I feel like if he's check-folding the turn, he's also check-folding most rivers. Especially in this full-ring EP-raiser situation where the frequency of him having a big hand here is much higher than at a 6max table or if he'd raised from LP.
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#18
02-06-2007, 08:09 PM
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Re: Raise for value?
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[ QUOTE ] lol misread the hand firsttime around... i would bet the turn i would also raise the river but i am also not used to full ring since its been a long, long time. [/ QUOTE ] If you bet the turn here you're probably folding to a CRai. This is results-based obviously but I feel like if he's check-folding the turn, he's also check-folding most rivers. Especially in this full-ring EP-raiser situation where the frequency of him having a big hand here is much higher than at a 6max table or if he'd raised from LP. [/ QUOTE ] im DEFINATELY folding to a c/rai on the turn. i disagree about your logic: (Work with me here, bc i bet the turn alot with this type of hand, and i could certainly be wrong, and if i am, id like to play better! [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] ) -an underpair like JJ, TT, w/e is very hard pressed to c/c the turn and riv, as w/ position you're threatening two streets on a dangerous board. however, with a check behind, it allows them to pick off a bluff, bc they now just need to call 1 street to showdown (simple concept of leverage) as a corollary its why alot of ppl (not me) would check a Q for PC here (id still bet bet bet but then again its been a while since FR) also, since the board is now paired, your draw could be very dead; ala the JT isnt so live. also, if he has a draw, he's alot less apt to c/c or c/r, given HE could be drawing dead. so if you are dead, you dont lose much by bluffing here (since you only to stand to lose more by hitting your draw) and if he's on a draw he could be dead giving you more of a chance to pick upthe pot... plus, isnt the board like Q 9 6 6? i forget if the 6 was the non flush or not but with a bet here 6x flush, if you slowplayed AA/KK, etc. all are played in a similar fashion.. obv jack high here is the lowest (well, 78) of your relative hand strength.. we're very rarely folding out AQ+, but the thing is we're not very likely to win much from those, either. also, you say he has a high frequency of a big hand, i disagree. in 6max id norm. stack-a-donk with an overpair in his spot, but full ring this loses lustre.. id expect his higher range of hands (that will not go away to a turn bet) to 2nd barrel rather then give a freebie.. even QQ prolly like half pots it in order to push the riv.
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#19
02-06-2007, 08:11 PM
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Re: Raise for value?
i agree with bobbo, i would like a turn check much more if it were an innocuous 2/3/4/5 type card.
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