Extcracting for max value iwth nut str8?

[ItzMrFish2U]

2/4 live hand. Table is very loose.

Hero limps UTG: 9 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 10[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

MP1 raise.
MP2, CO, button, SB, BB all call.
Hero calls.

Flop 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

SB check.
BB check.
Hero bets.
MP1 raises.
MP2 folds.
CO, button, SB, BB call.
Hero 3 bets.
MP1 calls. All call.

Turn 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

SB, BB check.
Hero bets.
MP1 calls.
CO and Button call.
SB BB fold.

Turn A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
Bet or C/R? I've got MP1 on a set (hands were shaking on flop bet) and CO K8s or A8s, and the button on a pair. Whether bet or C/R I know all players are calling. Question is whether MP1 will bet out.

[car ramrod]

I would have check/raised the flop. Your line faces the remaining players with 2 bets, I would have rather let them all call first, then pop it.

I would just go ahead and bet the river. I'd be sick if it got checked thru. If you have MP1 on a set, and he has played it this passively, what makes you think he will raise when an A hits?

[DrModern]

O.K. let's say CO and button are seeing a showdown here always. If you bet, they'll all call and you'll get 3 BB. If you check, MP1 bets, they call, you raise and all call, you get 6 BB.

So if you are less than 50% confident that MP1 will bet, betting must be better than check-raising. In reality I'd want to be pretty confident that he would bet if I checked, and he might suspect a trap given all the aggression you shown thus far in the hand, and I'd bet.

Also you can't be totally confident that the CO and button will see a showdown, especially if you check-raise, so that complicates things too.

I'd take the safe route and bet.

[ItzMrFish2U]

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If you have MP1 on a set, and he has played it this passively, what makes you think he will raise when an A hits?

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Good point.

UTG +1 did in fact have a set. Other two players had two pair and AKs (I forget which had which).

[Grease]

C/R the flop and trap everyone for two bets.

That said, lead the turn.

[JJH3984]

meh. if everyone is calling two cold anyway, I like OP's line better. I guess this is a game feel situation. I'd b/tb the river i guess. Live players get scared a lot of the time.

[Ricks]

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I would have check/raised the flop. Your line faces the remaining players with 2 bets, I would have rather let them all call first, then pop it.


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ItzMrFish2U,

I definitely agree with this unless you know that everyone likes to call two cold. Mp1 was the pf raiser so you have no reason to believe that the flop would get checked through.

[minnesotasam]

He had a set? Seriously? He didn't 4 bet you on the flop with a set?

You sure you're remembering this correctly? Either way, no way in hell he's doing your betting for you. You're essentially praying that the ace hit the CO or the button if you check, I definitely lead out here. Your likely to get at least two calls, and a c/r of the button or the CO might fold out the other two anyway (and that's assuming they bet at all).

Bet.

[ItzMrFish2U]

he did flop a set of sevens.