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02-05-2007, 03:16 PM
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[ QUOTE ] Sheep without a shephard are wild animals. How are you going to get ANY value out of them? A car without gasoline can't go two miles. Therefore a gallon of gasoline is worth more than a BMW. Gotcha. Iron trap logic as always. [/ QUOTE ] If your analysis is correct, you should be able to make a fortune consulting to publicly traded companies about how to seek and retain CEOs. What's stopping you? natedogg [/ QUOTE ] Why would boards pay him to chastise them for wasting shareholder money? 
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#93
02-05-2007, 05:18 PM
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What's stopping you? The fact that the people who decide compensation have an obvious conflict of interest as has been discussed already. [/ QUOTE ] So there's a nationwide conspiracy to over-compensate CEOs at shareholder expense? Did you read about this on 911truth.org? pvn nailed it. Go get rich with your novel approach to CEO compensation if the current model is so out of whack. Of course, there's the secondary issue that it's entirely none of your business what kind of salary someone else is making. natedogg
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#94
02-05-2007, 05:40 PM
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Of course, there's the secondary issue that it's entirely none of your business what kind of salary someone else is making. [/ QUOTE ] I am not disagreeing with your general sentiment, but this seems out of whack. If you're a shareholder in a company, and you are employing the CEO and other management as agents representing your interests, then you have a right to know their compensation level. No?
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#95
02-05-2007, 05:45 PM
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[ QUOTE ] Of course, there's the secondary issue that it's entirely none of your business what kind of salary someone else is making. [/ QUOTE ] I am not disagreeing with your general sentiment, but this seems out of whack. If you're a shareholder in a company, and you are employing the CEO and other management as agents representing your interests, then you have a right to know their compensation level. No? [/ QUOTE ] I don't think nate has disagreed with that statement yet. Shareholders are different than employees in this case.
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02-05-2007, 06:27 PM
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Sheep without a shephard are wild animals. How are you going to get ANY value out of them? A car without gasoline can't go two miles. Therefore a gallon of gasoline is worth more than a BMW. Gotcha. Iron trap logic as always. [/ QUOTE ] If your analysis is correct, you should be able to make a fortune consulting to publicly traded companies about how to seek and retain CEOs. What's stopping you? natedogg [/ QUOTE ] Why would boards pay him to chastise them for wasting shareholder money? [/ QUOTE ] If the CEOs are truly getting overpaid by an amount that affects shareholder value I expect that every VC in the country would be glad to hire him to help them retain the right executive team, and every fortune 500 company, whose share are mostly held by fund managers and retirement accounts, would also be glad to learn from him how to maximize shareholder value by paying the CEO less money. natedogg
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#98
02-05-2007, 06:41 PM
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[ QUOTE ] Apprently trolling internet forums is more profitable. [/ QUOTE ] You and natedogg would know! [/ QUOTE ] I suspect that if they shared your points of view you wouldn't label them as trolls.
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#99
02-05-2007, 07:08 PM
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If the CEOs are truly getting overpaid by an amount that affects shareholder value I expect that every VC in the country would be glad to hire him to help them retain the right executive team, and every fortune 500 company, whose share are mostly held by fund managers and retirement accounts, would also be glad to learn from him how to maximize shareholder value by paying the CEO less money. [/ QUOTE ] Buyout funds have been piling hundreds of billions of dollars into buying public companies and replacing their inefficient management with better-incented management for decades now. A lot of public companies are effectively un-takeover-able though, so the problem will persist.
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#100
02-05-2007, 07:43 PM
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[ QUOTE ] If the CEOs are truly getting overpaid by an amount that affects shareholder value I expect that every VC in the country would be glad to hire him to help them retain the right executive team, and every fortune 500 company, whose share are mostly held by fund managers and retirement accounts, would also be glad to learn from him how to maximize shareholder value by paying the CEO less money. [/ QUOTE ] Buyout funds have been piling hundreds of billions of dollars into buying public companies and replacing their inefficient management with better-incented management for decades now. A lot of public companies are effectively un-takeover-able though, so the problem will persist. [/ QUOTE ] A company that is "un-takeover-able" (if this even made sense) is not, however, immune to competition. If this executive compensation is such a "problem" other firms should be able to eat their lunch without much effort. EDIT: also, I'm still wondering why this "problem" is even a problem for anyone other than shareholders of the particular company in question.
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