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02-05-2007, 12:15 PM
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preflop raise 3x/3.5x/4x in 100bb deep 6man cash
I've heard many opinions on this and I'm thinking that 3.5 is optimal. Discuss.
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02-05-2007, 12:51 PM
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Re: preflop raise 3x/3.5x/4x in 100bb deep 6man cash
Optimal in what sense?
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02-05-2007, 02:00 PM
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Re: preflop raise 3x/3.5x/4x in 100bb deep 6man cash
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Read the section in NLHTAP called "Sizing your preflop raises". [/ QUOTE ] And then realize it's wrong most of the time...
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#6
02-05-2007, 07:50 PM
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Re: preflop raise 3x/3.5x/4x in 100bb deep 6man cash
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[ QUOTE ] Read the section in NLHTAP called "Sizing your preflop raises". [/ QUOTE ] And then realize it's wrong most of the time... [/ QUOTE ] What's wrong with it?
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#7
02-05-2007, 07:58 PM
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Re: preflop raise 3x/3.5x/4x in 100bb deep 6man cash
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Read the section in NLHTAP called "Sizing your preflop raises". [/ QUOTE ] And then realize it's wrong most of the time... [/ QUOTE ] What's wrong with it? [/ QUOTE ] I'll write something up tonight.
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#8
02-06-2007, 01:10 AM
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Re: preflop raise 3x/3.5x/4x in 100bb deep 6man cash
The basic issue is that the advice is wrong for most types of opponents. Against particularly weak opponents, you shouldn't vary your raise size at all (even to take into account limpers) if possible, because doing so instantly turns level 0 thinkers into level one thinkers when they think "I wonder what he has that's worth $50" or whatever. Even if level 1 thought is new territory for them, they instantly become better players.
Against strong opponents, anything that gives them a window into your hole card contents is suicide, so you can vary your raise based on the situation but NOT based on your cards. The section "If You Want Action" on page 117 of NLH:TAP is a classic case where Slansky reveals the contents of his hand to a frightening degree because he doesn't reccomend that line for anything other than AA, KK, and AK. In rality, against strong opposition, he will get NO action he wants, which is exactly the opposite of what he was trying to achieve. Slansky's advice is OK if and only if your opponents fall in a gap in the middle where they're already capable of level 1 thought and use it regularly, but not skilled enough to reverse engineer your preflop betting system. Unfortunatly, you can only make use of Slansky's advice if most (if not all) of your opponents fall in that gap. My experience is that that is rarely the case - some may, but some usually will fall on one side or the other.
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#9
02-06-2007, 11:59 AM
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Re: preflop raise 3x/3.5x/4x in 100bb deep 6man cash
The book covers both of these situations. First, against weaker opposition you don't have to make the preflop pot bigger, so you can raise the same amount. They'll go broke to you with AK against 44 on a K4x board with a $1500 stack whether the preflop pot is $60 or $120, even if it's true that you give you hand away with the size of your raise against them, which I'm not sure it is. Against tougher opposition you can vary your play occasionally.
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#10
02-06-2007, 12:04 PM
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Re: preflop raise 3x/3.5x/4x in 100bb deep 6man cash
Varying your play "occasionally" is not sufficient. That means smart opponents will only know the contents of your hole "usually". Now THAT'S a relief [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]
Here's some food for thought: every top NL player I've ever played with or seen play long enough to understand their game has adopted a card-neutral preflop raise policy. Are they all wrong, whereas Slansky who's a bit of a fart on the wind in the NL world is correct?
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