nl 25 jacks big pot

[IsaacAsimov]

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sometimes you'll pay off QQ on the river, but more often it's AT/99/AK. i like a call on the river.

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After checking behind on turn I'd have to call the river.

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You have a point here. I believe in Theory of Poker (haven't read it yet, just from what I have heard) Sklansky talks about paying villain of if you induce the bluff.
I also think I didn't take the pot odds into too much consideration here. 3-1 is fair enough.

[DakotaKid]

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I know the raise was slightly bigger than a raise I could call for set value, but I figured I may not have to be only playing for set value. Tha t is why I lead the flop to see where I am at.

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Why is this more than you need to call for set value? You're getting 3:1 immediate vs two opponents, and they've both got more than 10x your preflop call behind to pay you off.

To me this is a great call for set value, mostly because there are two players in and you're that much more likely to be paid off when you do flop a set.

[lacrymosa]

make it $1 PF, I call the river because of the odds, not sure if we're good though.

[Genz]

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I think you're spewing by shoving the turn (if you were th reraiser pre flop I may be little more inclined to do so).

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Hm. not really. OP has $15 left in his stack and is ahead of most of villains range. SB didn't raise preflop but called a ton of raises. The board is quite drawless. So we are either behind the dreaded set or we are way ahead of his overs/split pairs. I think the ratio pot size/stack size makes a push reasonable. Following the WA/WB routine, a check and a call of a river bet is standard though.

[Maneh]

I make it $1 PF;

Make a PSB on turn. And fold to a raise.

If villains only calls my turn bet, i c/c the river.

As played I call all day and night

[corsakh]

I can't see him having a 5 here.

[KurtSF]

Call on the end please.

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I mean what hands that I beat could be bluffing that river after the action so far.

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AK, AQs, ATs, JTs, 9Ts, 99, 88. You lose to AA, KK, QQ, TT, 66, 44. If he pots it on the end you can think about folding, but as played I think you should call.

$0.02

[nuts]

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sometimes you'll pay off QQ on the river, but more often it's AT/99/AK. i like a call on the river.

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After checking behind on turn I'd have to call the river.

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You have a point here. I believe in Theory of Poker (haven't read it yet, just from what I have heard) Sklansky talks about paying villain of if you induce the bluff.
I also think I didn't take the pot odds into too much consideration here. 3-1 is fair enough.

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I think he says that if you've shown weakness and your opponent bets, then it often is a bluff, when you've shown strength and your opponent bets it's almost never a bluff.

I think this has to be a call after the check on the turn. I don't see the small blind on QQ+ very often as he didn't rr preflop, unless he doesn't raise preflop much.