Borgata WPT Hand: JJ in BB in the money

JNash · #1 02-01-2007, 02:47 AM

This is a hand from the Borgata WPT a few days ago. My buddy is beating himself up for misplaying a critical hand, but I'm not so sure it was that bad a play.

16 players left. Blinds 10K/20K with antes. Hero is #3 in chips with $1.3MM, and has JJ in BB.
MP has 900K, and open-raises for 60K. Folded to Hero, who pushes.

I think his push was +EV, although I think there may have been a better line. Thoughts?

shaundeeb · #2 02-01-2007, 02:48 AM

bad.

JNash · #3 02-01-2007, 03:10 AM

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bad.

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Agreed, but what's the right play instead?

shaundeeb · #4 02-01-2007, 03:15 AM

raise to 220,

willie · #5 02-01-2007, 03:38 AM

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raise to 220,

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fold to a reraise correct?

creamfillin · #6 02-01-2007, 03:38 AM

+EV if you have 97o

JNash · #7 02-01-2007, 03:39 AM

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raise to 220,

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That was my first thought as well, but then I started to wonder...

If he reraises you, you instafold, but what if he just calls? You may wind up OOP with ~480 in the pot, and 680 left in his stack...Do you fold to his flop bet if any A,K, Q comes? Do you feel good about betting out if he checks to you?

daryn · #8 02-01-2007, 03:56 AM

reraising is not always correct here, sometimes you can call and see a flop, and play poker.

don't fear flops!

that said, i'd probably make it 280k

nath · #9 02-01-2007, 04:01 AM

Meh, there are no real good options with stack sizes here. If I called PF I'd felt an overpair and if I reraised and he called I'd jam any flop. If I reraised and he pushed, I'd have to combine reads and pot odds. This is kind of a sticky spot, but I just can't help but feel that overbet pushing is insanely gross.

betgo · #10 02-01-2007, 08:10 AM

The push is a little crude and reckless, but this is a tricky spot to reraise given the stack sizes.

If you reraise to 200, you need to call a push, but that may be the best play. The fact that you have a close decision against a push indicates a reraise may not be best.

If I had 5-10x the raise amount, then I reraise lightly with the intent of getting all the money in. With 15x the raise amount, I generally flat call, since when you reraise, villain can push and give you a difficult decision unless you have a very big hand.

So I think flat calling is probably best. Second choice is raising to 200 with the intent of calling a push. Pushing is third best, but not as terrible as the results probably made it look.