20/180 CL vs 2ndCL final 2 tables

purp · #1 01-31-2007, 05:09 AM

Comments please, on how I played these 2 consecutive hands.
1st hand is really for background as it kind of sets up the 2nd.
2nd hand I wanted to get all his chips in the middle and I thought an over-bet on the flop might do it.

Villain is a very good player, aggressive and knows how to use his stack. He had been pushing people around before I joined the table, a couple of his raises had been re-popped by shorties and he made pot odds calls with average hands (wining a couple and loosing a couple)

Just joined the table and these are the first hands I had played.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t800 (7 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

MP1 (t23022)
MP2 (t49997)
CO (t6596)
Button (t4635)
Hero (t33635)
BB (t12885)
UTG (t20771)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
2 folds, MP2 raises to t2400, 2 folds, Hero calls t2000, 1 fold.

Flop: (t4700) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets t4800, MP2 raises to t14400, Hero raises to t31185, MP2 folds.

Final Pot: t50285

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t800 (7 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

UTG (t22972)
MP1 (t33147)
MP2 (t6546)
CO (t4585)
Hero (t51535)
SB (t12035)
BB (t20721)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
1 fold, MP1 raises to t2400, 2 folds, Hero raises to t6400, 2 folds, MP1 calls t4000.

Flop: (t13050) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP1 checks, Hero bets t16000, MP1 raises to t26697, Hero calls t10697.

Final Pot: t66444

shaundeeb · #2 01-31-2007, 05:56 AM

I hate you.

Fiksdal · #3 01-31-2007, 05:58 AM

Check/raise flop in hand 1

shaundeeb · #4 01-31-2007, 06:00 AM

as for the hands, you played the villian perfectly he happened to be tilting at the time but you wouldn't know. 95% of the time your strong leads would kill you action as they scream I want to be commited, not as much as 40-60% pot leads which tend to appear to be more feeler bets. 2nd hand PFR was too small as you are very deep and if you make it 9 or 10x he is more likely to shove his hands because your hand looks weaker than stronger.

As for the flop in 2nd hand bet it was really bad you really reduce his bluffing range here, when he sticks it in its because he either has a FD or thinks he has the best hand most of the time, if you bet smaller you may induce a lot of bluffs from such an aggressive player.

Mclane665 · #5 01-31-2007, 06:04 AM

I like leading into an aggressive player here (hand 1) as it makes him re-raise commiting more chips. hand 2 good play give him enough rope and let him hang himself. My best guess would be AK-AJ 99-JJ. AA-KK should have pushed preflop. Your winning in all but one of those hands.

shaundeeb · #6 01-31-2007, 06:08 AM

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I like leading into an aggressive player here (hand 1) as it makes him re-raise commiting more chips. hand 2 good play give him enough rope and let him hang himself. My best guess would be AK-AJ 99-JJ. AA-KK should have pushed preflop. Your winning in all but one of those hands.

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range is way wider, than you guys are putting on villain he just lost a big pot when it was obvious he was bluffing badly. I would say I call like 40% of hands I open in this spot with plans to c/r a lot of flops.

Mclane665 · #7 01-31-2007, 06:13 AM

I suppose you are right shaun. I was looking at FE on the flop bet and also preflop raise and call but if he is tilting then pretty much impossible to put him on a hand matbe a low pocket or couple of spades or absaloutely nothing. For the record Villain wasnt you was it?

Fiksdal · #8 01-31-2007, 06:33 AM

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I like leading into an aggressive player here (hand 1) as it makes him re-raise commiting more chips.

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No it doesn't. Leading this flop will look very strong, and we will very rarely get action when ahead.

shaundeeb · #9 01-31-2007, 07:47 AM

weak leading the flop imo is the best way to get a chunk of chips c/r is the best to get all of his chips. His lead was too strong, I was just very tilted because I had just busted from a ft, but that was unknown info. So I made a raise that made it appear that I was commited.

purp · #10 01-31-2007, 12:17 PM

Thanks for feedback,

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as for the hands, you played the villian perfectly he happened to be tilting at the time but you wouldn't know. 95% of the time your strong leads would kill you action as they scream I want to be commited, not as much as 40-60% pot leads which tend to appear to be more feeler bets.

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1st hand I kind of wanted the action killed on the flop as I didn't want a flush draw and was sure I had the best of it on the flop.

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As for the flop in 2nd hand bet it was really bad you really reduce his bluffing range here, when he sticks it in its because he either has a FD or thinks he has the best hand most of the time, if you bet smaller you may induce a lot of bluffs from such an aggressive player.

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On the 2nd I only bet so much on flop as i figured i had caught him bluffing the previous hand, so wanted to make it look like i could make him fold with an overbet rather than actually having a hand. But point taken on the 40-60% lead.