100 KK FOLD

BT2 · #1 01-30-2007, 06:36 PM

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MP1 ($43.85)
Hero ($97.50)
CO ($23.40)
Button ($101.30)
SB ($176.50)
BB ($100.50)
UTG ($214.95)
UTG+1 ($98.25)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to $3, 1 fold, Hero raises to $9, 4 folds, UTG+1 raises to $20, Hero calls $11.

Flop: ($41.50) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG+1 bets $29, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $70.50

D.L.M. · #2 01-30-2007, 06:43 PM

they way you play it you have to shove the flop. like i said its always ok to get aggro with kk be it pre of post flop(without an ace. let me put it to you this way so you dont feel to bad about it .

the times you have kk and the other guy has aa=the times you have aa and the other guy has kk. in the long run.

Vegetarian · #3 01-30-2007, 06:47 PM

W/O reads I play it the same.

ronaldann · #4 01-30-2007, 06:51 PM

wow you need a really solid read on villain to do this (like actually seeing his cards) [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]. You've already committed 20% of you stack preflop, and this flop is about as good as it gets when you have KK. I agree you have to shove here, don't be afraid of AA.

Jeff76 · #5 01-30-2007, 06:54 PM

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the times you have kk and the other guy has aa=the times you have aa and the other guy has kk. in the long run.

[/ QUOTE ]And if you fold without getting stacked when YOU have the KK, you profit.

RichC. · #6 01-30-2007, 06:54 PM

ugh, i dont like it, but this is easily one of those folds that haunt you for a while, which is why I dont fold this, like ever, jam it in.

ronaldann · #7 01-30-2007, 06:56 PM

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the times you have kk and the other guy has aa=the times you have aa and the other guy has kk. in the long run.

[/ QUOTE ]And if you fold without getting stacked when YOU have the KK, you profit.

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And if you fold KK when he doesnt have the AA you lose.....

D.L.M. · #8 01-30-2007, 06:59 PM

jeff i know that. but who folds kk preflop??? my point is that if everyon always pushes those hand 100 bbs deep they even out. and no one does fold based on the fact that villian is holding qq and worse enough to always call. and folding after 1/4 of your stack is commited is wrong, and to "find out" that villien "probably" has aa takes commiting that much of your stack.

Jeff76 · #9 01-30-2007, 07:07 PM

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And if you fold KK when he doesnt have the AA you lose.....

[/ QUOTE ]Your range for villain here is?

Unless I've seen villain 4 bet PF before without AA/KK, I don't see us being ahead.

Jeff76 · #10 01-30-2007, 07:09 PM

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and no one does fold based on the fact that villian is holding qq and worse enough to always call.

[/ QUOTE ]I have yet to seen an player 4bet QQ at 50NL, and I assume 100NL isn't that different.

Also, we are behind QQ . . .