Home Game Rules Question

[corron1016]

There always an argument with this rule...
Home game tournament 9 players 4500T chips to start, NLH
Blinds now are 100-200 15 minute blind levels...
9 handed still
UTG and UTG+1 flod UTG+2 raises to 800, the cutoff re-raises to 1225 and is all in...

what are the options for the button, who has acted yet and blinds small and big who havent acted yet?
the argument is, can the button move all in over the top if he has a hand or does he have to call the 1225 because it is not a full raise, from the orignal raiser...

in this case the button picked up a hand and want to push all in to isolate the all-in player...

so what is the offical rule..
now if the blinds pick up a hand can they try to isolate with an over the top raise too or do they have to call the 1225?

[Bluegrass Poker]

The button can fold, call or raise. He hasn't acted at all yet in your scenario so there is nothing to prevent him from pushing all in if he so desires.

Same for the blinds they can fold, call or raise. The scenario you are thinking of only comes into play if someone has already acted in that round of betting and subsequent action is for less than a full raise that doesn't reopen the action.

[Ra_]

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The scenario you are thinking of only comes into play if someone has already acted in that round of betting and subsequent action is for less than a full raise that doesn't reopen the action.

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yes in your example UTG+2 could not reraise if it called around back to him.

[corron1016]

Isnt the all in raise of 1225 less then a full raise, wouldnt the all in raise have to be 1600 or more?

[Ra_]

It is less than a full raise so it does not reopen the action for those who have acted. but the action was already open for the button and blinds, him making a less than full raise does not close their action.

[Ra_]

think of a less than full raise as a call. if utg raises and utg+1 makes a less than full raise (like a call), anyone else can still reraise except UTG who can't reraise his own raise.

[Small Fry]

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Isnt the all in raise of 1225 less then a full raise, wouldnt the all in raise have to be 1600 or more?

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Yes and no. The cutoff's all in has no impact on the players yet to act ability to act. They still retain the right to raise. UTG+2 raised 600 (bb is200 +600 raise = 800 total) so the next minimum raise is 1400 (800 +600).(Minimum reraise always equals the amount a player bet plus the amount he raised. To raise the bb or a call then it is double the bet) Since the cutoff did not have enough to equal a full raise he does not reopen the betting for UTG+2. The other players still to act have the option of acting upon UTG+2's original action. The minimum bet is now 1225 (to call cutoff), minimum raise is 1400 (to raraise UTG+2). If any player yet to act just calls the cutoff then UTG+2 has never been officially reraised so his only choices are to call the extra 425 or fold.

Now, if you were to play that any raise equal to or greater than half the original raise constituted a reraise well then we got a whole different scenario.

[Lottery Larry]

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UTG+2 raised 600 (bb is200 +600 raise = 800 total) so the next minimum raise is 1400 (800 +600).(Minimum reraise always equals the amount a player bet plus the amount he raised. To raise the bb or a call then it is double the bet)

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Ummmm.... no, depending on the rule being used. A lot of places say the minimum reraise, after the all-in, would be
to $1825 (minimum raise of $600 currently set by player UTG, added on top of the call of $1225)

We discussed this recently, people!


And, you made a mistake in this statement above:
"(Minimum reraise always equals the amount a player bet plus the amount he raised."

The minimum no-limit or pot-limit raise, in a card room that doesn't have a "3rd raise must be pot-sized" rule, is the amount of the fulll RAISE amount that was made prior to your action. The amounts needed to call are added to that raise amount, not the other way around.
So, Player A calls 200, Player B raises to 750. Player C's minimum normal raise is to a total of 1300, not 1500- a reraise of 550.

If Player C raised to 1575, the minimum reraise for any player is 825 on top (2400 total), not 1575 on top (3150 total).



"Now, if you were to play that any raise equal to or greater than half the original raise constituted a reraise well then we got a whole different scenario."

That's a standard limit game scenario. Again, some cardroom says the next allowed raise is to complete. Others have the next raise added on top of the total current amount.