CO vs UTG+1 at 6max

[PieterS]

these are my VPIP and PFR from over 50K hands at 100 and 200NL:

UTG:...... 10.7 / 10.4 (9BB/100)
UTG+1:.. 12.5 / 11.3 (11BB/100)
CO:........ 20.0 / 18.2 (19BB/100)
BUTTON:. 26.3 / 22.9 (19BB/100)
SB:......... 23.2 / 12.0 (-8BB/100)
BB:......... 12.6 / 8.8 (-12BB/100)

As you see there is a really large gap.
Is this gap strangely large, or does it make sense?

If I had to play looser, what hands should I add in UTG+1?

Anything otherwise to add about these stats? Maybe post yours? (mainly interested in winning players at 200NL obviously [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img])

[BobAllinSki]

Fold more on the button, call more UTG.

On more serious note thats seriously strange, I dont have stats on me but I'm about the same in terms of VPIP & PFR in ealry position and win significantly less but am looser in late position and win about the same. 19bb/100 is pretty impresive utg.

[BobAllinSki]

Just to add, you could loosen up a bit on the button, but your ptbb their isnt bad, its just in early position they are seriosly good. I definately wouldnt loosen up UTG, your high ptbb is probably down partly to solid hand selection.

[PieterS]

Wow, i mixed up the PTBB/100 obviously [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

fixed now i hope

[Freelancer]

Looks fairly standard to me, what are your overall stats?

From memory (cant access PT right now);
UTG: 16/16
UTG+1: 20/18
CO: 26/24
BTN: 32/30 or so (not sure about co/btn)

I run on average something like 23/20, but some people have me in there database as 19/16 and others as 32/25. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

[PieterS]

overal stats are 19/16 with 6BB/100

[Freelancer]

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overal stats are 19/16 with 6BB/100

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Its obviously working out for you. And being a nit is a GOOD thing not a BAD thing, even though I am way more laggy than most people I believe you can't really go wrong with being tight. Being a lag is just more fun and rewarding for me, although I am not sure if its ultimately more +ev...

[PieterS]

Yeah, I know, I just dont think LAG is that profitable at the tables i play. I play at Party, and frankly its pretty LP still at 200NL and on top of that i aply massive table selection, so I mostly play very loose players.

But the main reason for this thread was to find out that GIVEN my Tag style, and given my UTG, CO and Button ranges which i am pretty confident about, does that UTG+1 range make sense? It seems small to me, but i am not sure what hands to add there.

I think my range on UTG+1 is like any pocket pair KQ+, AJ+, KJs+ and when the players behind me are not that loose I will raise like AT, QJs, A9s.

But on the CO my range drasticly increases with hands like 78s+, T8s+ any suited K and A, any broadway (I still dont like A8o and lower tho) especially when limpers already are in the pot (I will raise).

Does this sudden increase in range make sense from a theoratical viewpoint?

[Freelancer]

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Yeah, I know, I just dont think LAG is that profitable at the tables i play. I play at Party, and frankly its pretty LP still at 200NL and on top of that i aply massive table selection, so I mostly play very loose players.

But the main reason for this thread was to find out that GIVEN my Tag style, and given my UTG, CO and Button ranges which i am pretty confident about, does that UTG+1 range make sense? It seems small to me, but i am not sure what hands to add there.

I think my range on UTG+1 is like any pocket pair KQ+, AJ+, KJs+ and when the players behind me are not that loose I will raise like AT, QJs, A9s.

But on the CO my range drasticly increases with hands like 78s+, T8s+ any suited K and A, any broadway (I still dont like A8o and lower tho) especially when limpers already are in the pot (I will raise).

Does this sudden increase in range make sense from a theoratical viewpoint?

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A so you also play at party 200nl, perhaps I played with ya before. Mind sending me a pm with your sn there? I might be able to give some comments about your play...I'm Freelancer87 there if you haven't guessed yet. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

Your ranges from UTG+1--->co/btn are totally fine, its extremely rarely wrong to play tight oop and the drastic increase in VPIP isnt bad either (probably good if anything)...

[PieterS]

I know its not wrong what I do, but as long as you are not playing hands for your image, you should probably play every hand that is in itself profitable. So what hands that im folding 'could' be profitable from UTG+1?

I dont think it works like that for example on the button tho, because I think every hand in itself is profitable on the button, but obviously raising every hand from the button would not be.