KK Preflop, is it even possible to get away?

[JasonMcAuley]

75/150

Table '41629359 55' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: pyro91 (2390 in chips)
Seat 3: Mrmzlplx (5436 in chips)
Seat 4: JasonMcAuley (6220 in chips)
Seat 5: clyde101 (2609 in chips)
Seat 6: MCSCLA (6110 in chips)
Seat 7: joefu5048 (4416 in chips)
Seat 8: gehtschon (430 in chips)
Seat 9: TpocketT (7104 in chips)
joefu5048: posts small blind 75
gehtschon: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to JasonMcAuley [Kd Ks]
TpocketT: folds
pyro91: folds
Mrmzlplx: raises 300 to 450
TalFTW is connected
JasonMcAuley: raises 1050 to 1500
clyde101: folds
MCSCLA: raises 4610 to 6110 and is all-in
joefu5048: folds
gehtschon: calls 280 and is all-in
Mrmzlplx: folds
JasonMcAuley: calls 4610
*** FLOP *** [3c 7h 4h]
*** TURN *** [3c 7h 4h] [9h]
*** RIVER *** [3c 7h 4h 9h] [7c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
JasonMcAuley: shows [Kd Ks] (two pair, Kings and Sevens)
MCSCLA: shows [Ah Ad] (two pair, Aces and Sevens)
MCSCLA collected 11380 from side pot
gehtschon: shows [Qc Ts] (a pair of Sevens)
MCSCLA collected 1795 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 13175 Main pot 1795. Side pot 11380. | Rake 0
Board [3c 7h 4h 9h 7c]
Seat 1: pyro91 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Mrmzlplx folded before Flop
Seat 4: JasonMcAuley showed [Kd Ks] and lost with two pair, Kings and Sevens
Seat 5: clyde101 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: MCSCLA (button) showed [Ah Ad] and won (13175) with two pair, Aces and Sevens
Seat 7: joefu5048 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: gehtschon (big blind) showed [Qc Ts] and lost with a pair of Sevens
Seat 9: TpocketT folded before Flop (didn't bet)



Is there any situation where my play here would be incorrect? Is it even possible to lay down KK in this situation?

Edit: I just sat down at this table, so I have no real reads on these players.

[ChipSpeak]

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Is there any situation where my play here would be incorrect? Is it even possible to lay down KK in this situation?

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Unless it's a sat no, never fold these PF, if he's got one of the other 1200+ hands, your in great shape.

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[JasonMcAuley]

Understandable, I suppose I know better; that there is no getting away from it... Im just frustrated in losing like that.

I suppose I can feel better though; I played perfect that tourny, and was doing really well. Hopefully that play will yield better results when I don't run into that bad situation.

[mikeJ]

In the hand you posted, no. MCSCLA will show up w/ QQ/AK/other stuff often enough to justify a call.

Think of it this way, if MCSCLA's range is QQ+, then you should instacall w/ your hand being in the middle of his range and because there is dead money in the pot already.

[bettyqs]

If it was stars...I would lay it down in a sec.

[SossMan]

some quick math shows that given you are getting 1.86:1 on your call, he would have to have AA ~75% of the time here or better for a fold to be correct.

I think that laydown can be made live vs a known opponent, but I don't think I've ever had that strong a read on an online player.

[JasonMcAuley]

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If it was stars...I would lay it down in a sec.

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Lol yeah, as sad as it is, the ace always comes on stars.

Early in the tourny I had 10s with like 4000 chips with blinds at 50/100, guy with 1500 pushed AK after I raised on the SB (He was BB) and not only did the ace come, the king came as well.

[Beachman42]

Not as sure about Stars, but on FT, Beachman + KK = no good for the past 3 MTTs. Only once did I see AA, so I'll keep pushing pf against AK & 99 until my damn flopper is fixed!

You cannot fold KK on-line pf like ever. Just pull your aluminum foil hat on tighter . . .

[Plus1Plus1]

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Just pull your aluminum foil hat on tighter . . .

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