was the "expert" next to me at dinner bullshitting?

[charlesnesson]

is there any circumstance (of position or bets and raises in front) in a limit hold'em game in which one holding pocket 8's with a flop of Ace King Eight would fold? <font color="black"> </font> nesson@law.harvard.edu

[rothko]

yes
no

[deacsoft]

The obvious answer is, "Yes".

[Cry Me A River]

Yes, but it come down more to reads than bets/position. ie: Preflop, UTG bets, UTG+1 raises, UTG+2 raises, Nit caps, second Nit calls 4 bets cold. Both nits only ever play AA/KK this way. You call behind with 88 cuz there's going to be at least 6 players to a capped flop and those two nits have never folded an overpair in their life. Flop is AK8. Somebody bets, Nit raises, second Nit raises.

Obviously you're going to be folding sets in limit only very rarely.

[jonny quest]

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The obvious answer is, "Yes".

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Especially if the opponent exposed his pocket Aces [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

Otherwise, without knowing all the preflop activity (that would strongly suggest AA, which I find harder to do in Limit as opposed to NL) most hand ranges I would put villain on would warrant staying in the hand with a set of 8's.

[Megenoita]

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is there any circumstance (of position or bets and raises in front) in a limit hold'em game in which one holding pocket 8's with a flop of Ace King Eight would fold? <font color="black"> </font> nesson@law.harvard.edu

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Sure. But it'd be extremely rare, like in a case where there's an extremely tight player who only 4-bets pf with AA/KK, and it was 4-bet by him pf HU or 3-handed. 88 calls hoping to spike a set, and the flop comes both A, and K. Even though 88 has a set, it's certain that it's only drawing to 1 out since the pf 4-bettor can only have a higher set.

[Looshius]

I would never fold on this flop. The number of times you see somebody play AK as the nuts on this board would blow your mind. If it was allin, allin, allin in front of me I might rethink, but one on one I will call this every single time.

[UATrewqaz]

As a low limit player I would never fold this hand on the flop. If some ultra tightie had raised/reraised/capped in early position I might think there is a strong chance he has AA/KK but then I'd just switch to call down mode.

In almost every limit hold'em game you'll ever play folding 88 on a AK8 board is -EV (you are behind only AA/KK, excluding a monotone flop).

If the board became disasterous and there was still crazy betting you could consider folding.

AKA say the final board is AK8TJ or something and there are still 3 players firing at the pot and you are trapped in the middle.

Long story short, you don't make money in limit hold em folding sets. Sure every now and then someone will show you a higher set, but that's poker.

[AKQJ10]

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If it was allin, allin, allin in front of me I might rethink....

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Usually multiple people don't play limit hold 'em with such short stacks at one table.

[Looshius]

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If it was allin, allin, allin in front of me I might rethink....

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Usually multiple people don't play limit hold 'em with such short stacks at one table.

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My bad, I missed that it was limit. I guess if the preflop betting was capped and 3 people were in, you could fold 88 in position if it was raise, raise, raise to you, but how often does that happen? In a 2 way pot I am not folding a set.