$55 - JJ on level 4, two limpers, big stack - Page 2

blindfold · #11 02-12-2006, 02:25 AM

whats all this AT business? chances are the flop will hold undercards

b33nz · #12 02-12-2006, 02:32 AM

I dont get why someone would push this.. thats a horrid play because the other players get the best of both worlds... they fold their weak hands without much thought and call with hands that have you beaten...

300 is the perfect amount because if the UTG re-raises you can be sure you are beaten and fold easily (he wouldnt do this on a bluff, thats for sure). Also, 300 will not commit anyone who has voluntarily entered the pot already. This means they won't be inclined to push 10-10 and make you play a guessing game. Betting 300 will most likely eliminate all but one player, leaving you heads up, which is the perfect situation.

Im wondering whoever said you don't want action on this hand? JJ is a good hand, people... if you are scared to see a flop with this hand, then you really need to improve on your post-flop/poker skills in general. I would rather limp than push if I had no other choices.

blindfold · #13 02-12-2006, 02:40 AM

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if you are scared to see a flop with this hand, then you really need to improve on your post-flop/poker skills in general

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my thoughts exactly. alot of people here seem to invest so much energy into advanced tactics and ignore the fundamentals

Scuba Chuck · #14 02-12-2006, 02:58 AM

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if you are scared to see a flop with this hand, then you really need to improve on your post-flop/poker skills in general

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my thoughts exactly. alot of people here seem to invest so much energy into advanced tactics and ignore the fundamentals

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Hmmm, it's interesting that we always get these kind of responses from the guys who registered within the last month or two?

Ok, so how much postflop skillz do you have with 14 BBs behind, after you raise to 300 and get at least two callers?

bigt439 · #15 02-12-2006, 03:09 AM

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t300 if you know how to play post flop. i shoulda cleared that up. sorry.

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I'm up 17000 in the past week playing 600 and 1000NL...

Now piss off.

blindfold · #16 02-12-2006, 03:28 AM

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Hmmm, it's interesting that we always get these kind of responses from the guys who registered within the last month or two?

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please, this isnt the only well around

[/ QUOTE ]Ok, so how much postflop skillz do you have with 14 BBs behind, after you raise to 300 and get at least two callers?

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1. youre the big stack and relatively speaking, the top edge of your stack is worth less to you than the equivelent of one of theirs. i agree with Gigabet and his 'block' theory

2. you'll get maybe one or two callers at the most...they limped and one of them so far prolly has junk.

3. i bet you'll hear about it before the flop falls whether one of them is holding a monster.

4. id rather risk 3bb than with the 4th best starting hand than (a) fold or (b) risk all of it

with this in mind, why not raising 4bb and playing the flop carefully?

Scuba Chuck · #17 02-12-2006, 03:40 AM

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Hmmm, it's interesting that we always get these kind of responses from the guys who registered within the last month or two?

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please, this isnt the only well around

[/ QUOTE ]Ok, so how much postflop skillz do you have with 14 BBs behind, after you raise to 300 and get at least two callers?

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1. youre the big stack and relatively speaking, the top edge of your stack is worth less to you than the equivelent of one of theirs. i agree with Gigabet and his 'block' theory

2. you'll get maybe one or two callers at the most...they limped and one of them so far prolly has junk.

3. i bet you'll hear about it before the flop falls whether one of them is holding a monster.

4. id rather risk 3bb than with the 4th best starting hand than (a) fold or (b) risk all of it

with this in mind, why not raising 4bb and playing the flop carefully?

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Ok, here's the rest of the hand:

PartyPoker, Big Blind is t100 (9 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com

UTG (t1305)
UTG+1 (t425)
MP1 (t1100)
MP2 (t1350)
MP3 (t905)
Hero (t1735)
Button (t1095)
SB (t1140)
BB (t945)

Preflop: Hero is in CO with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
UTG calls t100, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds, MP2 calls t100, MP3 folds, Hero raises to t450, Button folds, SB folds, BB folds, UTG calls t350, MP2 calls t350

Flop: (t1500) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG checks, MP2 checks, Hero bets t400, UTG folds, MP2 raises to t900 (All-in), Hero .....

blindfold · #18 02-12-2006, 04:05 AM

ok, so he check raised your continuation bet

fold, continue playing with ten BB's, and sleep well knowing that you played it correctly

either way, the preflop decision was correct because the odds were against the villian pairing his king, do you regret it?

Pasterbator · #19 02-12-2006, 04:08 AM

While i don't mind the PF raise, the flop bet is begging to be raised... isnt it? I think you need to decide if you're playing it to the felt and play accordingly. 1/4 pot bet? I don't really like it.

Scuba Chuck · #20 02-12-2006, 04:36 AM

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While i don't mind the PF raise, the flop bet is begging to be raised... isnt it? I think you need to decide if you're playing it to the felt and play accordingly. 1/4 pot bet? I don't really like it.

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That's correct. My bet is begging to get raised, IMO. That's why I hated this hand all the way around. I thought that my raise to 450 would narrow the field to one, but that failed. With 1500 in the pot, and ~ 1300 behind, it's tough to make any kind of bet that seems normal looking.

It's also the reason why I can't "sleep well knowing that you played it correctly"

Checking is also atrocious. Bleh. I think the only way to play this hand, once I get to the flop, is to bet that amount on the flop.