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Old 01-22-2007, 08:41 AM
Joerii Joerii is offline
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Default $15+1 To early to shove or no ?

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No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t100/t200
(Ante: t25)
4 players
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Stack sizes:
Hero: t3745
Button: t2150
SB: t4850
BB: t2755

Pre-flop: (4 players) Hero is UTG with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">Hero raises all-in t3720</font>,

Is this shove OK with 19 BB's left ? All the other players are tight and seem to have a good grasp of ICM ( as far as I can be the judge of that [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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Old 01-22-2007, 08:43 AM
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Default Re: $15+1 To early to shove or no ?

I prefer a normal raise here (t500), probably folding to a push from the SB (yes, I know he can exploit me here).
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Old 01-22-2007, 08:50 AM
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Default Re: $15+1 To early to shove or no ?

i'm not sure i understand the shove. i think raise to 500 and go from there. if everyone else is tight you're likely to pick it up anyway.

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Old 01-22-2007, 08:58 AM
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Default Re: $15+1 To early to shove or no ?

Since they have high calling ranges, a push is an invitation to get busted out right ?

I think my problem lately is actually pushing to much.
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Old 01-22-2007, 09:02 AM
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Default Re: $15+1 To early to shove or no ?

Dont shove 20ish BBs like that. Raise to 500ish instead. If you are the chip leader it might be OK
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Old 01-22-2007, 09:05 AM
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Default Re: $15+1 To early to shove or no ?

Because you have more fold equity then?
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Old 01-22-2007, 09:17 AM
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Default Re: $15+1 To early to shove or no ?

Have the same problem as you (pushing to much). Like previous speakers, I think a smaller raise here is the right choice. Then you can fold to a large reraise.
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Old 01-22-2007, 09:20 AM
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Default Re: $15+1 To early to shove or no ?

Just another question - you're four handed and have AJ, do you really want them all to fold? A normal raise might get called, but you still have a pretty strong hand and lots of chips relative to the blinds with only four people left. Why not see a flop?
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Old 01-22-2007, 09:25 AM
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Default Re: $15+1 To early to shove or no ?

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Just another question - you're four handed and have AJ, do you really want them all to fold? A normal raise might get called, but you still have a pretty strong hand and lots of chips relative to the blinds with only four people left. Why not see a flop?

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With AJ i want them to fold. No hand that calls us here, makes fun to play against.
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Old 01-22-2007, 09:29 AM
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With AJ i want them to fold. No hand that calls us here, makes fun to play against.

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Could you re-phrase that ?
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