$50NL - nut flush draw + gutshot, deep stacked

Hanibbal · #1 01-16-2007, 10:52 AM

Villain is a 17/12 so he seems solid. How should I play my NFD here?

On flop: I hate those mini-reraises, they could mean I'm against a monster or they could mean nothin, but because we were both really deep I decided to just call.

Turn: Bad card for me, could be drawing dead against FH so I wanted to see a cheap river & showdown, which didn't work out...

Should I play my monster draw more aggressive here?

Poker Stars
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
5 players
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Stack sizes:
Hero: $119.40
CO: $79.90
Button: $29.70
SB: $51.90
BB: $37.15

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is UTG with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
Hero raises to $2, CO calls, 3 folds.

Flop: 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($4.75, 2 players)
Hero bets $4, CO raises to $10, Hero calls.

Turn: 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($24.75, 2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $20, Hero folds.
Uncalled bets: $20 returned to CO.

Corrupt Rose · #2 01-16-2007, 11:04 AM

If he seems solid there's a great chance he takes you for overcards and this is a good flop for him to try you out. I reraise him again and calls an all in. Easy turn fold here.

BTW: Thinking of cheap showdowns in a raised pot on flop vs a solid player is meh [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

holyfield5 · #3 01-16-2007, 11:08 AM

its tough because you guys are so deep.

as played i would fold the turn like you did. Nothing wrong with the line you took really.

I play these draws very aggro and maybe it would be a mistake here but i would RR his flop to 32 and call a push. but unless the villian is very aggro expect to be behind here.

M4in · #4 01-16-2007, 11:12 AM

Yeah I would fold on the turn as well...

I doubt if the heart comes he will pay you off cause you're OOP...

Hanibbal · #5 01-16-2007, 11:14 AM

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its tough because you guys are so deep.

as played i would fold the turn like you did. Nothing wrong with the line you took really.

I play these draws very aggro and maybe it would be a mistake here but i would RR his flop to 32 and call a push. but unless the villian is very aggro expect to be behind here.

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Normally I play these hands very aggressive too, but with almost 180 BB I slowd down a bit..

BoozeHound · #6 01-16-2007, 11:18 AM

This is not a "monster" draw. How many outs do you really think you have against someone wanting to play a big pot with you?

fold pre-flop from UTG.

Hanibbal · #7 01-16-2007, 11:30 AM

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This is not a "monster" draw. How many outs do you really think you have against someone wanting to play a big pot with you?

fold pre-flop from UTG.

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Ok monster draw is excessive, it's a combodraw though [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

I'm a little favorite against TT-KK, little behind against 88-99 or made straight and way behind against a set (at most 2:1 on flop). I don't think he would play JJ-KK this way, neither a set on flop (considering his pot raise on turn). So it could be a straight or 88-TT, which range makes me a 43% dog.

Corrupt Rose · #8 01-16-2007, 11:47 AM

Curious, how do most of us play this hand preflop?

I do as Hanibbal.

DMBFan23 · #9 01-16-2007, 11:48 AM

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fold pre-flop from UTG.

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even 5 handed?

BoozeHound · #10 01-16-2007, 11:52 AM

A call behind your raise from this player is most likely a low-mid pocket pair or high cards looking to hit a set. it could also easily be overcards like 88 which take away some of your outs. I think he's probably got a set or a med pocket pair. The bet on the flop however looks a bit odd for this player with any decent hand due to the flush draw. I think your fold equity is just about 0 given the flop so this is probably not a good place to play for stacks. anyone have Poker stove for this range?

*edited to remove always plays a set like this due to flop raise size and board.