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01-14-2007, 07:09 PM
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Re: Lies and myths about opiates, yet another scam
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[ QUOTE ] If you've changed your mind about the Drug War, I assume you want alcohol made illegal as well? It's "worse" than 90% of the illegal drugs after all. [/ QUOTE ] Let's do it. Tobacco too. [/ QUOTE ] I don't get to say this often, but YSSCKY. 
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01-14-2007, 07:13 PM
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Re: Lies and myths about opiates, yet another scam
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] While most libertarian arguments are compelling, they tend to ignore the externalities of things like legal drugs and there are many. Personal liberty is not a universal trump. For many years I thought that drug legalization was so obvious (at least to a daily user) as to be beyond argument. Now, not so much. It seems clear to me that all of society takes a hit, though the individual effects tend to be small. Deviancy is defined downward, something that must be fought. [/ QUOTE ] If you've changed your mind about the Drug War, I assume you want alcohol made illegal as well? It's "worse" than 90% of the illegal drugs after all. [/ QUOTE ] Let's do it. Tobacco too. [/ QUOTE ] Don't half arse it. Guns, swimming pools, cars, trans fats, twinkies...
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01-14-2007, 09:26 PM
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Re: Lies and myths about opiates, yet another scam
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] While most libertarian arguments are compelling, they tend to ignore the externalities of things like legal drugs and there are many. Personal liberty is not a universal trump. For many years I thought that drug legalization was so obvious (at least to a daily user) as to be beyond argument. Now, not so much. It seems clear to me that all of society takes a hit, though the individual effects tend to be small. Deviancy is defined downward, something that must be fought. [/ QUOTE ] If you've changed your mind about the Drug War, I assume you want alcohol made illegal as well? It's "worse" than 90% of the illegal drugs after all. [/ QUOTE ] Let's do it. Tobacco too. [/ QUOTE ] Don't half arse it. Guns, swimming pools, cars, trans fats, twinkies... [/ QUOTE ] Poker, MMORPG's... oh and I heard someone killed themselves after playing D&D once after their character died or somesuch, so let's get rid of that too. Also caffeine, corn syrup, sugar...
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01-14-2007, 11:35 PM
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Re: Lies and myths about opiates, yet another scam
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] While most libertarian arguments are compelling, they tend to ignore the externalities of things like legal drugs and there are many. Personal liberty is not a universal trump. For many years I thought that drug legalization was so obvious (at least to a daily user) as to be beyond argument. Now, not so much. It seems clear to me that all of society takes a hit, though the individual effects tend to be small. Deviancy is defined downward, something that must be fought. [/ QUOTE ] If you've changed your mind about the Drug War, I assume you want alcohol made illegal as well? It's "worse" than 90% of the illegal drugs after all. [/ QUOTE ] Let's do it. Tobacco too. [/ QUOTE ] Don't half arse it. Guns, swimming pools, cars, trans fats, twinkies... [/ QUOTE ] Poker, MMORPG's... oh and I heard someone killed themselves after playing D&D once after their character died or somesuch, so let's get rid of that too. Also caffeine, corn syrup, sugar... [/ QUOTE ] Don't forget pretzels. One almost took down our illustrious leader.
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01-15-2007, 04:27 AM
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[ QUOTE ] The war on drugs is a fraud, so government should be abolished? [/ QUOTE ] You know, Nielso is often one to make crazy statements like that, but he hasn't in this thread, so... what's your problem? [/ QUOTE ] Take this thread to Cuba. Okay, maybe I did cross the line there.
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01-15-2007, 11:05 AM
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Re: Lies and myths about opiates, yet another scam
I have something to contribute to the original topic.
The company I work for makes and distributes Methadone for treatment of heroin addiction. On a couple of occasions I've had the displeasure of making an emergency delivery to a local clinic. Let me tell you, it ain't pretty. The product is profitable for us, but we are hardly making a killing off it. The clinics however receive huge government subsidies to accept and retain these patients, who have no money, and to my mind really no life. There seems to be a popular myth that heroin addicts receiving treatment are indistinguishable from any other person you might meet, but that has not been my experience. Walking into these clinics you see people sitting on the floor drooling, standing in the corner mumbling to themselves, wandering aimlessly down the middle of the road, you name it. And they haven't bathed in weeks from the smell of it. Yet the clinic has every incentive to keep them coming in, and they are able to do it. How? The addicts truly believe that they can't live without the drug. Is this just because the treatment centers have convinced them? I don't know. But it is an ugly situation.
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