Slowplay?

[acidca]

What about checking the flop here:

Poker Stars
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
9 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
Hero: $50
UTG+1: $15.05
MP1: $49.95
MP2: $67.45
MP3: $36.95
CO: $10.75
Button: $41.40
SB: $59.05
BB: $77.35

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is UTG with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $2</font>, UTG+1 calls, 6 folds, BB calls.

Flop: 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($6.25, 3 players)

and on other flops featuring top set?

[Paul Thomson]

no.

[acidca]

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insightful

[Paul Thomson]

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the BB has a big stack. There's a flush draw present. There could be a possible gut draw by JT.

I think you need to bet it to start building a big pot.

[Markuzi]

I wouldn't check the flop here because of the two diamonds. Just make a PSB.

On a rainbow flop you might consider it, but players who are aware of your style whill notice you check your big hands. I'm in favour of always betting.

[iamVillaiNmo]

The only time to ever slowplay is when you have a deadlock on the hand and dont have a chance for much action because you have the deck crippled. If villain has been so agro, you think he will bluff. FINE.

I lead here %80 of the time. You get payed out much more often if you play your big hand like this.

[acidca]

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I wouldn't check the flop here because of the two diamonds. Just make a PSB.

On a rainbow flop you might consider it, but players who are aware of your style whill notice you check your big hands. I'm in favour of always betting.

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They won't notice I check my big hands because I lead out my big hands.

[acidca]

...ok so I've got QQ and I raised UTG. In fr, UTG and BB both generally call my raise with a pretty tight range of hands. This flop brings:
Q 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
And I'm 2nd to act...
Typically, it's important to lead flops in order to get full value out of weaker made hands. But what can I expect to get value out of here? There's only one Q left in the deck, so it's unlikely either villain has it, and KK/AA will typically 3-bet pf.
I think the value I'll get out of a naked A or K that pairs the turn is significant. Also, I beleive weaker hands will be more likely to call a turn bet than a flop bet.
Finally, even if a flush hits, I have the Q high redraw which may be good, and the boat redraw.

I'm certainly not going to make checking monsters a habit, but when there are hardly and hands to get value out of, such as in this hand, does it make sense to give a free card?

What if this flop were a rainbow?

[Panthro]

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What if this flop were a rainbow?

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Then maybe. But still err on the side of betting out at 50NL.