QQ flops OESFD

[nirfdog]

Live 10-20, 9 handed, Reads - Villain 1 is very loose passive. Villain 2 is pretty loose passive, but not nearly as bad as Villain 1.

Preflop - Villain 1 UTG raises, Villain 2 calls, Hero 3-bets w/Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Villain 1 caps, Villain 2 calls, Hero Calls.

Flop: J [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]T [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]9 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
Villain 1 bets, Villain 2 calls, Hero raises, both call.

Turn: A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
Villain 1 checks, Villain 2 bets, Hero calls, Villain 1 calls.

River: 3 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
Villain 1 bets, Villain 2 folds, Hero calls.

I was pretty sure that Villain 1 had a pretty big hand because he rarely raised preflop so when he raise/4-bets, I'm sure he has KK or AA. When the flop came, my plan was to raise for a free card on the turn and then call a river bet. Obviously the turn helped Villain 2 so I was forced to call and again call the river with the flush. Any other options?

[Grease]

I like the way you played it. Since they are both LP, raising on any of the later streets would be incorrect, and raising the river would be a disaster, IMO.

I feel like the pot is too big to fold the river, even though you have a solid read on villian 1, I would cry and call regardless, as you're getting 15:1 on your call.

[The Dude]

There's really no other way to play this, on any street. You are ahead on this flop virtually never, but you've got the mother of all draws, so your equity is probably 40%+. Raising the flop intending to check behind on the turn is perfect - even more so considering UTG probably won't 3-bet with any hand he's got.

River is an easy call, despite the fact that you're usually losing.

Edit: Meh, now that I think about it, your equity on the flop isn't that good, since there will be a bigger flush draw ~50% of the time.

[mrcunningham]

grunch-
How about a river raise/fold?
Villain 1 was pretty passive on the turn. If he had either AA, AsX, or KsX you would think he would have either bet or check raised the turn. Given villain 2 folded, I think a raise on the river might be good, especially since calling stations will call.

[mrcunningham]

Grease,
you have 3rd nut flush, and villain 1 was awfully passive on the turn. Don't you think if he had As or Ks, he would have at least check raise trapped on the turn?