Value Betting in PL draw (tourney)

[Murakawa]

What about this laydown?

Tournament: Pot Limit 5 Card Draw (10/20) (converter)

SB (3000), Seat 3
Hero (1680), Seat 5
UTG (1680), Seat 6
CO (1210), Seat 1
Button (1430), Seat 2

SB posts 10. Hero posts 20.

Hero is BB with [Qs 2h 3h Tc 3s]

Round 1: (30)

<font color="green">UTG calls. </font><font color="green">CO calls. </font><font color="#666666">Button folds. </font><font color="green">SB calls. </font><font color="green">Hero checks. </font>
SB takes 1. Hero discards Qs 2h Tc. UTG takes 3. CO takes 4.

Hero has [3h 3s 8c 8s Ac]

Round 2: (80)

<font color="green">SB checks. </font><font color="green">Hero checks. </font><font color="green">UTG checks. </font><font color="red">CO bets 40. </font><font color="green">SB calls. </font><font color="#666666">Hero folds. </font><font color="#666666">UTG folds. </font>

Pot: (160)

Results: (in white)

<font color="white">Total pot 160 | Rake 0

CO had [As 7d 4s Jc Ah] and won (160) with a pair of Aces.
SB had [Kh Jd Ad Qc Kc].
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[davebreal]

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Hero is CO with [As 3c Jh Ah Ac]

Round 1: (30)

UTG calls. Hero raises 40 to 60. Button folds. SB calls. BB folds. UTG calls.
SB takes 3. UTG takes 2. Hero discards Jh.

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ok, so i'm totally clueless about this one... why are you drawing 1 to trips and not 2? this is just a deception move to represent 2 pair?

[davebreal]

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What about this laydown?

Tournament: Pot Limit 5 Card Draw (10/20) (converter)

I have found myself throwing away winning 2 pair several times recently... so many schleps are willing to value bet unimproved big pairs.. even OOP.

SB (3000), Seat 3
Hero (1680), Seat 5
UTG (1680), Seat 6
CO (1210), Seat 1
Button (1430), Seat 2

SB posts 10. Hero posts 20.

Hero is BB with [Qs 2h 3h Tc 3s]

Round 1: (30)

<font color="green">UTG calls. </font><font color="green">CO calls. </font><font color="#666666">Button folds. </font><font color="green">SB calls. </font><font color="green">Hero checks. </font>
SB takes 1. Hero discards Qs 2h Tc. UTG takes 3. CO takes 4.

Hero has [3h 3s 8c 8s Ac]

Round 2: (80)

<font color="green">SB checks. </font><font color="green">Hero checks. </font><font color="green">UTG checks. </font><font color="red">CO bets 40. </font><font color="green">SB calls. </font><font color="#666666">Hero folds. </font><font color="#666666">UTG folds. </font>

Pot: (160)

Results: (in white)

<font color="white">Total pot 160 | Rake 0

CO had [As 7d 4s Jc Ah] and won (160) with a pair of Aces.
SB had [Kh Jd Ad Qc Kc].
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[Notjitsu]

2nd one seems a little tight. If the cutoff is calling and drawing 4, tough to expect much from him. On top of which, it seems to be genetically ingrained in newer players to bet pots checked to them if thats the only way they can win.

The CO could come to this conclusion easy enough and call with a biggish pair. (which fits his original check postdraw)

Does that happen 1 in 5 times? It might be close, but I'd have thrown in my 40 chips.