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rigoletto · #1 05-03-2005, 02:49 AM

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But as I've said many times about this player, I'm sure he makes a lot of money against people who are unable or unwilling to properly adjust to him.

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This is likely very correct. An important sideeffect is that good players will often be forced out of the pot and leave him with the guys who are dumb enough to play back at him with little or nothing. There is probably a lot of iso raises behind this guy preventing others from entering the pot and when the raising wars start postflop you'll often have to let go of an otherwise decent draw. My point is that even if you win money from this guy when you are in a hand with him, he can still put a dent in your EV by keeping you out of pots that would have been profitable for you.

J_V · #2 05-03-2005, 03:09 AM

Seriously. Stop making it sound like those stats are tenable. Let me say it again 30 17 2.0

His turn raise win rate sucks for sure.

rigoletto · #3 05-03-2005, 03:10 AM

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Seriously. Stop making it sound like those stats are tenable. Let me say it again 30 17 2.0

His turn raise win rate sucks for sure.

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Are you suggesting that he pulls the 3BB/100 out of his ass?

J_V · #4 05-03-2005, 03:13 AM

Absolutely. He is a horrible player. Probably running really well.

The real question is: are you suggesting he is actually good? He is so bad it's not even a question. Maybe you have not seen him play.

rigoletto · #5 05-03-2005, 03:18 AM

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Absolutely. He is a horrible player. Probably running really well.

The real question is: are you suggesting he is actually good? He is so bad it's not even a question. Maybe you have not seen him play.

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No I haven't seen him play, so I can't really judge. All I can say is that I have run in to similar players (at least it sounds similar) that where consistant winners. And I'm not ready to write a statistically proven big winner over many hands off as a fluke, just because he dosn't subscribe to 2+2 dogma. I would rather see if there is anything to learn from him...

Read the thread I posted above. And if you don't know who Angelina is, ask David or Mason.

J_V · #6 05-03-2005, 03:54 AM

I was playing with Angelina when there were 2 games on Paradise. She's very tight and very aggressive. This player plays twice as many hands.

And these stats are filtered for 7+, not shorthanded.

I like your ideas in the dongbang thread. I know that story fairly well. I know a friend that has played with him live. I believe he busted in the stars 1-2 game though. Don't have enough experience to comment.

The mistake players including myself make is that they see players playing too many hands preflop and they assume they are raising turns light, when they may not be at all.