Need help playing top pocket pairs (JJ/QQ/KK) - Page 2

Quester · #11 01-10-2007, 06:14 PM

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But for all these times my Kings got cracked by Aces... how do you read that the opponent has aces? Kings are VERY tough to lay down. Against a really tight player with plenty of history... its a little easier to lay down.

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We've had quite a few threads on KK v. possible AA lately.

The overwhelming consensus is that folding KK preflop at this level is something you should never consider.

CanSpoilU · #12 01-10-2007, 06:19 PM

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We've had quite a few threads on KK v. possible AA lately.

The overwhelming consensus is that folding KK preflop at this level is something you should never consider.

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Thats what I felt as well... which is why I didn't fold them and I stayed agressive pre-flop so I wouldn't get drawn out.

I just didn't expect to get them cracked by the rockets this often though. Oh well... I guess its just a bad swing and hopefully I will eventually get paid off.

What about live? If this was live in a poker room (KK/AA)... do you handle it differently? I know it helps to have a read... but what if somebody doesn't have a read (player is new to the table or you haven't see what he has raised with previously). Tough call I guess. [img]/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img]

Quester · #13 01-10-2007, 06:21 PM

Definitely a bad swing.

I'd never even fathom folding Kings preflop live. But I've only played 1/2NL live. At 1/2 live you're playing against arrogant kids and retired people so folding kings would probably be an even bigger mistake than it is online.

Smilin' · #14 01-10-2007, 06:23 PM

Hand 1: I'd raise a bit less, maybe to $3-4 or so. But I get it all in preflop too.

Hand 2: I don't like the overbet too much, barring a read. You pretty much fold out worse hands and get better hands to call. Plus you're wasting position by getting it all in preflop. I call the reraise, reevaluate on the flop. (On the A high flop, I'd probably check-fold.)

Hand 3: Looks OK to me vs. a short stack. I maybe raise a little less (to $6 or so), but whatever.

Hand 4: I thinking checking the flop would be reasonable too, but I'm fine with the bet. The turn card is tricky, but I like your line.

Hand 5: This is Hand 1 again, isn't it?

Hand 6: This seems OK to me, though I think the river call might be thin. You could also consider checking behind on the flop, since you're WA/WB--maybe get some money from a Q. If it's checked again, though, I'd bet the turn.

Hand 7: I'd raise a bit less preflop--no need to scare off the customers unnecessarily. $16 to $20 seems fine to me. Obviously it's good to get it all in on the flop.

So basically I think it's all OK except Hand 2. Maybe raising a little less would get worse hands to call more often, but I don't think that's a major leak.

bmk67 · #15 01-10-2007, 07:07 PM

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Definitely a bad swing.

I'd never even fathom folding Kings preflop live. But I've only played 1/2NL live. At 1/2 live you're playing against arrogant kids and retired people so folding kings would probably be an even bigger mistake than it is online.

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My experience playing 1/2 live is somewhat limited, but where I play, it's pretty much all arrogant kids - and I'll go to the felt preflop with KK in 1/2 live against them any day of the week.

IMHO, the 1/2 live game I play is easier to beat than 25NL online.

silly_monkey · #16 01-10-2007, 07:19 PM

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IMHO, the 1/2 live game I play is easier to beat than play money online.

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FYP

Quester · #17 01-10-2007, 07:28 PM

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IMHO, the 1/2 live game I play is easier to beat than play money home games.

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FYP

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bmk67 · #18 01-11-2007, 02:29 PM

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IMHO, the 1/2 live game I play is easier to beat than play money online.

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FYP

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Ha, yeah you did.

Best quote heard at my 1/2 game: "You can't beat this game by playing tight.", with 8 heads (not mine) nodding in agreement, as I drag the pot.

Splossy · #19 01-11-2007, 02:42 PM

Subzero's analysis is great and turns out to be pretty good too. Far more useful than "never fold KK preflop".

CanSpoilU · #20 01-11-2007, 02:57 PM

More JJ woes today. This hand pissed me off because I had a feeling this guy was a crappy player. My 10th hand on the table so I didn't have a solid read. But after about 50 hands... he turned out to be a total donk and unfortunately I didn't get dealt the right cards to take his money later (although some other people did).

I would imagine I played this right? Could I have played it better?

Poker Stars
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
CanSpoilU: $22.40
UTG+1: $24.65
CO: $29.85
Button: $19.15
SB: $17.35
BB: $8.45

Pre-flop: (6 players) CanSpoilU is UTG with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
CanSpoilU raises to $1, 2 folds, Button calls, 2 folds.

Flop: 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($2.35, 2 players)
CanSpoilU bets $2, Button calls.

Turn: 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($6.35, 2 players)
CanSpoilU bets $4, Button calls.

River: 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($14.35, 2 players)
CanSpoilU checks, Button checks.

Results:
Final pot: $14.35
CanSpoilU showed Jd Jc He had Th Js Grrrrr