AQs in BB versus LRR

brettbrettr · #1 01-08-2007, 02:31 PM

This hand was from a month or so ago in the limp re-raise...

20-40 Borg game. Its Xmas eve and I'm Jewish, I've only been here 30 mins or so.

UTG hasn't been very active, so he's either card dead or tight.

I'm in the BB with A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]Q [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

UTG limps, 4 more limp, I pop it, utg reraises, 2 callers, I call.

4 to the flop for 12.5 sbs.

A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

I bet.UTG thinks for 10 or so seconds and calls, both limp-call-three'ers fold.

The turn is the 3 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

I check-call. This is obv questionable.

The river is the Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

I check-raise.

I think checking twice on the big streets is probably bad. Comments?

The DaveR · #2 01-08-2007, 03:20 PM

I think I would invert your preflop/flop actions. I would check/call the turn too especially if he tanks on the flop. It's important here to notice if he glanced to his left while he was thinking. I honestly don't know what I would do on the river.

Moneyline · #3 01-08-2007, 03:53 PM

Preflop: Standard

Flop: I would rather just check/call here. If your opponent has limp/raised with KK or AK, then there’s no point giving him extra action. If he has limp raised with something like QQ, then your raise will cause him to fold whereas he otherwise might fire again at the pot on a bluff. The only times check/raising is beneficial is when your opponent holds something like AJs or KQs, and I think you’ll see players limp/raise those types of hands a lot less frequently than big pairs and AK.

Turn: I’d check/call here too for the same reasons as on the flop.

River: I actually prefer bet/calling here. I’m a little too afraid of AK to bet/3bet, and I wouldn’t want to check for fear of it getting checked behind.

Hope this post gets some replies because it’s a weird hand and I’m not 100% sure if what I’d do is optimal.

Just my opinion…

WMB · #4 01-08-2007, 04:11 PM

I would probably bet turn and fold to a raise here. if i got to river, i would c-call.

OneByPhi · #5 01-08-2007, 04:21 PM

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It's important here to notice if he glanced to his left while he was thinking.

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Could you explain this please? Thanks.

jfk · #6 01-08-2007, 04:23 PM

You played it fine. My preference is probably to check/call the river being that the most likely limp reraise hands are all those that you fear.

That he's still hanging around means he has either AK, KK or maybe AQs or he's just a dolt. Only one of those hands reraises you here. QQ is a fairly rare LRR holding and it would be odd for him to have clinged with this board.

I'd be happy for him to just bet off anything he'd like if behind, but I'd be unenthusiastic about rewarding him for the limp RR if he's ahead.

May I ask why you thought the river check raise was best? Was there a read or did you just figure the board made it likely enough you were ahead?

brettbrettr · #7 01-08-2007, 04:25 PM

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It's important here to notice if he glanced to his left while he was thinking.

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Could you explain this please? Thanks.

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If he has AK he's going to be thinking about getting overcalls with the nuts. He might also do this with KK. AA is unlikely [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

DaveR, no, he didn't noticeably turn but I can't tell you what his eyes did.

OneByPhi · #8 01-08-2007, 07:33 PM

I was hoping someone could clarify why it is important to notice what direction a player is looking. Is this some tell I've never heard of? Please clue me in. Thanks.

drbk2 · #9 01-09-2007, 02:11 PM

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I would probably bet turn and fold to a raise here. if i got to river, i would c-call.

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WHAT???

drbk2 · #10 01-09-2007, 02:33 PM

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It's important here to notice if he glanced to his left while he was thinking.

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Could you explain this please? Thanks.

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If he has AK he's going to be thinking about getting overcalls with the nuts. He might also do this with KK. AA is unlikely [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

DaveR, no, he didn't noticeably turn but I can't tell you what his eyes did.

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Ok well you said the guy hadn't been very active, but you also said that you weren't sure if it was from a cold run of cards or whatever. In my experience, a guy like this will limp reraise with AA or KK. Maybe suited connectors sometimes. NEVER with AK. Guys like this at the Borgata are the ones who complain "I can never win with AK, I love just stealing the blinds with it."

I'm really surprised so many people have suggested such a passive river approach. You now beat KK. Put in five bets. If he has AK, god bless him. I love the way you played the rest of the hand since you let him hang himself if he does have air and you get off cheaply if you are up against kings full and miss the river.