$24turbo: K5o stupid call?

[slimon]

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t150/t300
4 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: t1975
Button: t5580
SB: t4670
Hero: t1275

Pre-flop: (4 players) Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">UTG raises all-in t1975</font>, 2 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero calls all-in t975</font>.
Uncalled bets: t700 returned to UTG.

Flop: 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (t1575, 0 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: t2700)


Turn: K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (t1575, 0 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: t2700)


River: J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (t1575, 0 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: t2700)


Results:
Final pot: t1575

I'm getting 2 to 1 right? I gota call this? Am I suppose to call with any 2?


Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t250/t500
3 players
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Stack sizes:
Button: t1810
SB: t7490
Hero: t4200

Pre-flop: (3 players) Hero is BB with 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">Button raises all-in t1810</font>, SB folds, Hero calls t1310 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t2560)</font>.

Flop: 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (t3870, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: t3870)


Turn: J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (t3870, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: t3870)


River: K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (t3870, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: t3870)


Results:
Final pot: t3870

I'm getting close to to 2 to 1 here too right? Did I calculate it right? Call with almost any 2?

[mmorpg]

1. Fold
I dont think you are that desperate yet and with a K you are likely to be dominated.

2. Fold
I'd rather push with 68s than call

[pauliewalnuts]

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1. Fold
I dont think you are that desperate yet and with a K you are likely to be dominated.

2. Fold
I'd rather push with 68s than call

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I'd say he is pretty desperate in the first hand. He'd have 975 left if he folded and UTG would move up to 2400. I'd still probably fold though, but I can see how one might be tempted.

I fold hand 2.

[bluefish]

1. hmm You need a better hand to call with then you do to raise with, your better off just folding and pushing next hand. also your not a favorite by any means here, and if you lose your going out in 4th which doesnt pay money, so it would be much better to just wait.

2. would you rather pay the short stack the blinds or double him up?

also ran them both through sngpt:
1st hand was -2.7% EV and here you would call with 66+, AJo+, ATs+
2nd one was only -0.1% EV

[RexWoo]

? is it me or is the 2nd a clear call ? You should call with roughly top 60-80%, me think, not any 2 anyway.

1st hand I fold. UTG is not desesparate and push in front of the 2 big stacks, he should have a hand. He need to push more that 50% for this to be a call and I don't think he does.

[slimon]

Ok so hand #1 isn't a call but what about hand #2. We are getting close to 2 to 1. Also what about this hand? When are you suppose to be calling 2 to 1 pushes? Was this horrible?

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t200/t400
5 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: t2605
CO: t3820
Button: t1245
SB: t1175
Hero: t4655

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is BB with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
2 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Button raises all-in t1245</font>, SB folds, Hero calls t845 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t1845)</font>.

Flop: J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (t2690, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: t2690)


Turn: 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (t2690, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: t2690)


River: T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (t2690, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: t2690)


Results:
Final pot: t2690

[KingMedicine]

[ QUOTE ]
Ok so hand #1 isn't a call but what about hand #2. We are getting close to 2 to 1. Also what about this hand? When are you suppose to be calling 2 to 1 pushes? Was this horrible?

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t200/t400
5 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: t2605
CO: t3820
Button: t1245
SB: t1175
Hero: t4655

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is BB with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
2 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Button raises all-in t1245</font>, SB folds, Hero calls t845 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t1845)</font>.

Flop: J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (t2690, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: t2690)


Turn: 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (t2690, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: t2690)


River: T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (t2690, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: t2690)


Results:
Final pot: t2690

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fold. youre the bigstack and should be attacking the blinds here. other players' ranges are probably closing down because its nearing bubble time - this should allow you to be open pushing almost any two (avoiding 2nd biggest stack unless you have a hand) until you double someone up.