$60 - AK early - what's your standard line here?

[AMT]

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4 other callers, you spike TP on a fairly safe board, moron is betting big. What's your play?

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Give my best evil laugh and shove.

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[Dr_Jeckyl_00]

I just call and reevaluate on flop. Too early to get into trouble w/ AK.

[wpr101]

Calling is good. I don't think reraising is that bad though, but you do have to call a push I think.

[suzzer99]

from newt: "I would always reraise in the HH below. In the SB I would be much more likely to smooth call. If the raiser is LAG than calling is almost clearly wrong. I don't mind a bunch of callers, I just don't want to give up value by just calling"


I think curtains rule, which seems to have become doctrine around here, maybe doesn't apply in all cases. IE - one like this with a [censored] villian, position, and little chance of isolation with a call. I don't feel the same as him about not minding a bunch of callers.

FEP - here's the rest of the hand:

suzzer99: raises 160 to 240
markypoo0328: folds
bceagles2010: folds
taylor868686: folds
MxWILLAY: calls 220
UncleACES07: folds
gancio: calls 160
*** FLOP *** [5d 2h Ad]
MxWILLAY: bets 1260 and is all-in
gancio: calls 1040 and is all-in
suzzer99: calls 1230 and is all-in
*** TURN *** [5d 2h Ad] [8h]
*** RIVER *** [5d 2h Ad 8h] [3h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
MxWILLAY: shows [8d 9d] (a pair of Eights)
suzzer99: shows [Ac Ks] (a pair of Aces)
suzzer99 collected 380 from side pot
gancio: shows [As Td] (a pair of Aces - lower kicker)
suzzer99 collected 3890 from main pot

[Hercules]

I think the key between calling and rerasing is IMO the likelyhood that you stack villain if you hit an Ace or King. One big problem with AK is, that you`ll prolly win the pot "only" on the flop. Everybody is scared that you indeed "have it".
So the more the moron is a moron [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img], the more i raise the moron *lol*.
The only hands you really make money are AQ/AJ KQ/KJ. And i don`t know how often this scenario appears...(assuming they raise with junk and call a reraise with junk)

[XxGeneralxX]

Dont listen to everyone else, they dont know what they are talking about. I would call

[Rook]

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Dont listen to everyone else, they dont know what they are talking about. I would call

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I think I'd still call. I don't want to create a giant pot and then let him bluff me off it when I miss. I'd rather call and see what happens.


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I don't think there's room for anything but a call.

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the way you paint it, no option looks good. i think pot control is my biggest concern right now, at least until i see the flop.

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Ever since I read curtains article on AK I'm calling in spots like this. And I like it very much

SAM

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Folding is godawful, raising is ugly. Call by process of elimination.

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Calling is good. I don't think reraising is that bad though, but you do have to call a push I think.

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So what are the chances I'm being second leveled here?

P.S. I can't fault a call here, but with your read, I do actually like a raise here for isolation purposes. Readless, I call.

[Pudge714]

Re raising here really sucks. Off the top of my head here are a few reasons.
1. You can't call a shove.
2. You are going to be cbetting like 25% of your stack on a lot of flops.
3. Preflop you are folding out a lot of worse Ax and Kx hands which will stack off to you later. This is a clear call and anyone who says otherwise is wrong.

[ManChild]

yup, this is an easy call - which is what i expected the other responses to say, and almost exclusively that is what they said. i think youve got a pretty clear answer here.

[suzzer99]

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Re raising here really sucks. Off the top of my head here are a few reasons.
1. You can't call a shove.
2. You are going to be cbetting like 25% of your stack on a lot of flops.
3. Preflop you are folding out a lot of worse Ax and Kx hands which will stack off to you later. This is a clear call and anyone who says otherwise is wrong.

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#1 is another doctrine that seems to have become law. I call early pushes from morons with AK all the time. So far I'm racing half the time, dominating 1/4 and random crap 1/4. AA/KK almost never, like once in 6 months. As long as that mix stays the same I'm not folding AK early to an unknown or especially someone I know is a moron like this guy.

#2 is a good argument, I've paged newt to see if he'll reply.

#3 you're going to flop a common card once in 7.5 times, so I don't know just all by itself if this is enough value to give up the betting impetus when you're very likely ahead preflop. I just get so sick of calling and folding AK every single time early. Since they have an ace or AK a lot of the time - you flop TP way less than 1/3 of the time in these spots. Then they cbet and you go away.

These are just some thoughts, I'm not saying I'm 100% convinced reraising is correct here. But I hate calling for the reasons described above AND the fact that it seems like about 1/2 the time I flop TPTK with AK in a 4+ way pot I get stacked by a set, 2p, draw, etc.