2/4 flopped two pair, boat on the river

Paul Levy · #1 01-05-2007, 07:30 PM

Very early in the session so no read on villain. How's my line, and how do I play the river?

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saw flop|saw showdown

Hero ($400)
UTG ($227.50)
UTG+1 ($115)
MP1 ($287.50)
MP2 ($400)
MP3 ($193.60)
CO ($487.40)
Button ($477)
SB ($72.25)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
5 folds, CO raises to $12, Button calls $12, 1 fold, Hero calls $8.

Flop: ($38) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, CO checks, Button bets $28, Hero raises to $80, CO folds, Button calls $52.

Turn: ($198) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $28, Hero calls $28.

River: ($254) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)

Hero?

JrJordan · #2 01-05-2007, 07:39 PM

Preflop is a little gross, especially without a read.

Flop checkraise seems ok, but I really don't want to see the flop checked through on such a drawy board so I'd probably donk a pot sized bet instead.

On the turn I'm tempted to checkraise again. Made flush doesn't bet $28 here so a raise could help charge a draw, but I really don't want to bloat the pot vs. an unknown. I think check/call is best.

On the river, I don't think we get much value by letting button bet for us, considering his weak turn bet. I'd make a 3/4 PSB to maybe rep a missed draw of some sort and hope the weird line gets a call from some random flush or paired 8.

Fisher32 · #3 01-05-2007, 07:58 PM

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Preflop is a little gross, especially without a read.

Flop checkraise seems ok, but I really don't want to see the flop checked through on such a drawy board so I'd probably donk a pot sized bet instead.

On the turn I'm tempted to checkraise again. Made flush doesn't bet $28 here so a raise could help charge a draw, but I really don't want to bloat the pot vs. an unknown. I think check/call is best.

On the river, I don't think we get much value by letting button bet for us, considering his weak turn bet. I'd make a 3/4 PSB to maybe rep a missed draw of some sort and hope the weird line gets a call from some random flush or paired 8.

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I don't agree with alot of stuff on here but this line is classic. Well played! I don't want to meet you at the tables.

Paul Levy · #4 01-05-2007, 10:21 PM

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Preflop is a little gross, especially without a read.

Flop checkraise seems ok, but I really don't want to see the flop checked through on such a drawy board so I'd probably donk a pot sized bet instead.

On the turn I'm tempted to checkraise again. Made flush doesn't bet $28 here so a raise could help charge a draw, but I really don't want to bloat the pot vs. an unknown. I think check/call is best.

On the river, I don't think we get much value by letting button bet for us, considering his weak turn bet. I'd make a 3/4 PSB to maybe rep a missed draw of some sort and hope the weird line gets a call from some random flush or paired 8.

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I don't agree with alot of stuff on here but this line is classic. Well played! I don't want to meet you at the tables.

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I agree, thanks for the very good comment.

For the record, I botched the river: I pushed and villain folded.

terp · #5 01-05-2007, 10:27 PM

valuebet river

the size of your flop raise is gross. i'd probably also bet the turn but c/c is ok too

Big_Jim · #6 01-05-2007, 10:32 PM

Fold PF.

I would frequently lead the flop, but c/r is fine. If I did c/r, I would pop it to like $120.

As played, I would bet/fold, against some, with a read, but I think the check is fine and good, against an unknown. With that turn bet, obviously you always at least call, and I would raise sometimes, but I don't really like a c/r that much, since it overreps your hand.

River, I'd bet $200

Phresh · #7 01-05-2007, 11:01 PM

Lead river. I'm only check-raising this river when it's likely he'll bet again. His measily $28 bet on the turn doesn't really look like a flush, though.

True · #8 01-05-2007, 11:05 PM

shove river or c/shove are both find depending on opponent.

wpr101 · #9 01-05-2007, 11:07 PM

Preflop is bad. I would lead the flop. Pushing the river is okay as I don't think he folds a flush that often. Value bet 1/2 pot might be better though; hard to say.

dillip kothari · #10 01-06-2007, 01:40 AM

bet half the pot on river. If he does to showdown more than average, bet a little bit more. If he goes to showdown less than average, bet a little bit less.