Playing suited K-J on button, hand is driving me nuts

[jackdaniels]

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without reading any other posts (i believe this is what is called Grunching here) i say:

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Thank you! I was wondering what the heck that meant!!

OP: Raise pre flop, raise flop if bet in to, call turn (or, if you raise the flop, it is possible it could have been checked to you on turn - take free card), fold river UI.

[Gap23Razor]

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without reading any other posts (i believe this is what is called Grunching here) i say:

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Thank you! I was wondering what the heck that meant!!



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your welcome if you really did not know about Grunching, but somehow i think you fibbing about that Mr Exaulted Pooh Bah--naughty naughty if you are!!! [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

[buddy004]

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by the way, does the casino, Foxwoods, offer a bonus for a royal flush?

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Someone mentioned you get a jacket.. since it is 59 in NY right now, who needs it [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Thanks to all who replied!!

[WillMagic]

raise preflop. not even close, this is absolutely mandatory. KJs against a large field of limpers on the button is such a monster it's ridiculous.

i hate that sb bet here, it basically means you never get to make a raise that will knock people out. i prefer raising this flop to waiting for a good turn but that preference is slight.

turn you have lots of outs and cannot fold. but please do fold river UI, as two pair is no good.

[jjshabado]

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OP: Raise pre flop, raise flop if bet in to, call turn (or, if you raise the flop, it is possible it could have been checked to you on turn - take free card), fold river UI.

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Why would you take the free card on the turn? If its checked to you and you're behind you have 13 very clean outs (to nut flush or full house) and 3 outs to a chop (which we can ignore) so you're slightly better than 3 to 1 to improve to the best hand. If you get 3 callers its +EV plus theres some decent chance that you've already got the best hand right now and don't need to improve.

[Xhad]

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you're slightly better than 3 to 1 to improve to the best hand. If you get 3 callers its +EV plus theres some decent chance that you've already got the best hand right now and don't need to improve.

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You generally shouldn't make this assumption on the turn.

[Dhani]

First off,what was the action preflop?
Second,why didn't you raise the flop? I know that there is a straight draw out there, but if you hit the turn full house or the hand develops in to a flush draw, like it did, you have more outs to a big pot.
I think you have to cold call the turn with the Royal flush draw.
You are getting 9.5-2, with 2 more on the way, so we could possibly say almost 6-1 pot odds. Lets say you have 9 outs to the flush draw, although someone hear has some hearts. Lets say 7 outs to the flush and 2 outs for the full house.
That's 9 altogether. You're getting around 5.2-1 with 9 outs, so this is a call in my book, not to mention the Royal Flush draw.

[jjshabado]

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you're slightly better than 3 to 1 to improve to the best hand. If you get 3 callers its +EV plus theres some decent chance that you've already got the best hand right now and don't need to improve.

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You generally shouldn't make this assumption on the turn.

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The assumption that you're ahead? I agree you shouldn't count on it, but there is some percentage chance that you're good and I think it probably reinforces that you should bet rather than take the free card.

[Xhad]

No, I meant that 3 opponents will call you. Although against 3+ opponents I'd be wary of thinking KJ is good on that board either; there are non-straight hands that loose passives would play this way and are still beating you.

[benwood]

Guys,he did play this passively,but I didn't think passive play on this hand was as bad as most of the other posters thought it was(with all due respect).

Pre-flop:Versus a tight UTG caller & a very tight UTG+1 caller & only 1 other caller,the call vs.the raise doesn't seem too bad.If hearts don't flop,you probably don't have any great advantage against the up-front tight guys.If you do flop some hearts,your hand plays well with company.

Turn:When SB leads into 5 people,you have to consider that he may have flopped the nuts.Calling to see a cheap turn seems reasonable to me.

Turn:Call.

River:Fold unimproved.