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Old 01-04-2007, 03:00 AM
MikeMcQ1 MikeMcQ1 is offline
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Default (38) Results Good -- Play Bad.

Both opponents are 60/10 type knuckleheads.

6man STT. Pays two spots.

PokerStars Tournament, Big Blind is t50 (4 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com

CO (t2120)
Button (t4250)
SB (t1500)
Hero (t1130)

Preflop: Hero is in BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
<font color="gray">CO folds</font>, Button calls t50, SB calls t25, Hero checks

Flop: (t150) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, <font color="red">Button bets t150</font>, SB calls t150, Hero calls t150

Turn: (t600) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, <font color="red">Button bets t200</font>, SB calls t200, Hero calls t200

River: (t1200) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets t730 (All-in)</font>, Button calls t730, <font color="gray">SB folds</font>
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Old 01-04-2007, 04:11 AM
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Default Re: (38) Results Good -- Play Bad.

I'm shoving the turn. Button has enough chips where he is calling with a king or flush draw. And if either one of them happened to have an ace, they'd instacall.
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Old 01-04-2007, 04:21 AM
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Default Re: (38) Results Good -- Play Bad.

This is fine, though I'd rather shove the turn. Button seems to like his hand enough to call, and if SB is on a flush draw he might call thinking his odds are too good to fold. I think any hand SB calls with on the river will also call the turn.
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Old 01-04-2007, 11:14 AM
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Default Re: (38) Results Good -- Play Bad.

Nice hand. You got someone to call you all the way down. I find no fault with the optimal outcome.

It sounds like you were playing from the gut and your gut was telling you to call this guy down (no raising -- don't want to scare him) and that he'd call your push on the river.

Sounds like you had a conscious/unconscious read here.
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Old 01-04-2007, 12:15 PM
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Default Re: (38) Results Good -- Play Bad.

As played until the turn check... I just love a turn check min-raise. Ha, but I probably would have led the flop/turn just because any time I check in a limped pot, it checks around. And you def. want to build a pot here. Worked out this time though.
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Old 01-04-2007, 12:18 PM
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Default Re: (38) Results Good -- Play Bad.

i dont think the line is "bad" but the fact is these types of players given the action would also pay you off at an earlier point in the hand, so i dont think it matters a *whole* lot. sometimes i lead into these types of players...meh
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Old 01-04-2007, 12:25 PM
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Default Re: (38) Results Good -- Play Bad.

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I'm shoving the turn. Button has enough chips where he is calling with a king or flush draw. And if either one of them happened to have an ace, they'd instacall.

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I'm shoving this turn too or at least raising it. I think you get more action from A's, K's and flush draws this way.

You'll get less action on the river from an A or K if the Flush hits.
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Old 01-04-2007, 01:42 PM
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Default Re: (38) Results Good -- Play Bad.

Mike, given some of the responses here, did you have a read on this guy?... instinctively. While the checking seems bad from a pure/no-read perspective, if you have a read... it really could be the right play. I might be giving more credit than due [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] , but it looks like you had a read.

"Standard" plays really go out the window if you have a read on your opponent.
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Old 01-04-2007, 01:54 PM
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Default Re: (38) Results Good -- Play Bad.

I like how you played this pot because you were against 2 players. I would probably checkraise the turn against 1 player since some river cards might shut down your action.

However, against 2 players 1 of them is likely to be on the flush draw so I like keeping them both in expecting to stack one of them on the river if the flush materializes, and maybe stack the other if it doesn't.
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Old 01-04-2007, 03:55 PM
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Default Re: (38) Results Good -- Play Bad.

wtf, just lead the flop.
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