Winrate at an extremely juicy, loose passive live game

[sternroolz]

Maybe you are just running bad, but in case your'e not:

Is there lots of preflop raising?

If not, are you playing drawing type hands up front?

Axs, suited connectors 78 and up, pp, etc, all become very playable hands, especially if rivers feature 2-3 or more calls.

Are you playing drawing hands strong in late position?

J10s, KQs, any suited Ace-face, etc, medium pp(77 and up) all become insta raises pf in late position if there are 4 limpers in front, and almost entirely for pot equity reasons. I would raise lots of these from the blinds also.

Also remember that hands with few outs still become playable on the flop because the pot will be offering you your 11-1. Also pushing flush and straight draws on flops to build pots is pos ev. For instance a hand like J10 on a rainbow 289 board becomes a hand I really want to push if there are at least 4-5 other players in the hand. I have likely 8 clean outs(and six very questionable ones) and want to build a pot getting paid so many ways on a draw that is like 2.5-3:1 of hitting. So goal here is to maximize the volume when I have an equity edge, rather than chase players out and "outplay" them.

[TommyO]

Sternroolz,

Thanks for the constructive feedback. I would say that the games are fairly passive and I do play drawing hands from early position.

I do not play drawing hands strongly in late position. I guess I prefer to see the flop cheaply with suited connectors and small pocket pairs. Is this a big leak? Raising these hands just seems to increase my variance but not my overall win rate (but i could be wrong about that).

I play my strong draws very aggressively and will raise with two or more players in the hand with me.

I very rarely raise from the blinds (except for JJ+). I will raise from the small blind if there's just one or two limpers and I think the big blind will fold.

[thirddan]

"I very rarely raise from the blinds (except for JJ+). "

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[TommyO]

What range of hands should I be raising from the blinds assuming 3-4 limpers?

[RobA]

I'm not so sure about the 25 hands/hr for live poker. In AC Borg/Taj I've counted hands in 8 random 1/2 hrs (each with a separate dealer) and gotten the following - 16, 19, 20, 29, 18, 24, 18, 22. this comes out to around 20 hands per half/hour.

i make a just under 1BB/hr (after tips). ain't no expert, try my best to play ABC.

[Hielko]

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What range of hands should I be raising from the blinds assuming 3-4 limpers?

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Something like TT+, TJs, QJs, KJs+, ATs+, AQo+ is looking better.

[TommyO]

Interesting. I never raise JTs or QJs from the blinds. Although to be fair I should have added TT and AJs+ to my original post. I really don't like playing out of position so I tend to play rather weak tight from the blinds.

[thirddan]

big pairs, suited broadways, the premium unsuited hands...

[DonovanParker]

OK, thank you for the replies! I guess I will play a few sessions there during the next weeks. Even if an hourly rate of 100+bucks may not be sustainable in the long run, that game
is at least a nice occasional alternative to the more aggressive high-variance internet games.