16: Push this KK on Ace flop?

[loxxii]

PokerStars Tournament, Big Blind is t100 (7 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com

UTG (t925)
UTG+1 (t3675)
MP1 (t2630)
CO (t1645)
Button (t1475)
SB (t1730)
Hero (t1420)

Preflop: Hero is in BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
<font color="gray">UTG folds</font>, UTG+1 calls t100, <font color="gray">MP1 folds</font>, <font color="gray">CO folds</font>, <font color="gray">Button folds</font>, <font color="gray">SB folds</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to t400</font>, UTG+1 calls t300

Flop: (t950) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)

Too short to c-bet, so push or check/fold?

[fluorescenthippo]

i push

[GorillaPoker]

shove

[kyro]

Semantics, but I'd probably raise to at least 450. Flop you kinda have to shove and hate it.

[ger664]

I do not think an ace limp/calls here Pre Flop in general. IMO You are looking at a Pocket pair more often the an Ace. I think that a shove here is correct. If villian has a set so be it.

[restrikt]

Whoa whoa.

Obviously if villain has an Ace, he calls shove. Is it not more profitable to check, give villain a chance to bet, and then shove, if we were going to shove flop regardless?

[loxxii]

That's a good freakin idea.

Nobody shoves preflop right?

[Rook]

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That's a good freakin idea.

Nobody shoves preflop right?

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Not with 14BB and a hand we don't mind a little action on.

I don't mind a check/shove here, but only if Villain is known to be aggressive. You were the pf aggressor, so it's likely Villain will check behind if he didn't make his hand on that flop.

[ger664]

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Whoa whoa.

Obviously if villain has an Ace, he calls shove. Is it not more profitable to check, give villain a chance to bet, and then shove, if we were going to shove flop regardless?

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Not a bad line if you have a read that villian will bet at the pot with Air. Readless and as we raised I think they check behind too often if he has whiffed that flop.

If they check behind and a club/7,8,9,T,J hits the turn what is your action then ??

They may also call with TT/JJ/QQ and maybe some lower PP's. Also could well call this spot with drawing hands such as JQ/TJ/QT. This should make up for the times that they flip a set or Ax over.

[loxxii]

better freakin point. btw he had A4